Brendan Shanahan to be named president of Maple Leafs

[GhostofPotvin29]

I haven't seen the full presser, but from the clips on TSN, particularly with Leiweke, I get the sense that Phaneuf will, at a minimum, be stripped of his C.

I would take Leiweke's comments with a grain of salt.  As I mentioned earlier, almost everything he said today directly contradicts what he'd been saying up to today.  Who knows where the truth lies?

During the season you say whatever is best for the media to stay off your back for the day.  The end of the season the truth comes out.  Pretty obvious what is being said today is the truth.

They said that stuff during last off-season too.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Carlyle not being there - meaningful or not?

I don't think coaches usually come out for these sort of things. So not.

 

[AvroArrow]

I haven't seen the full presser, but from the clips on TSN, particularly with Leiweke, I get the sense that Phaneuf will, at a minimum, be stripped of his C.

I would take Leiweke's comments with a grain of salt.  As I mentioned earlier, almost everything he said today directly contradicts what he'd been saying up to today.  Who knows where the truth lies?

That's certainly true.  We've seen it time and time again - they say one thing to the media then do the exact opposite.

However, given the current situation, and the emphasis on culture, I find it hard to believe that intelligent men like this will just let the leadership of this team remain how it is.  Maybe it's just hopefulness on my part.

 

[lc9]

I haven't seen the full presser, but from the clips on TSN, particularly with Leiweke, I get the sense that Phaneuf will, at a minimum, be stripped of his C.

I would take Leiweke's comments with a grain of salt.  As I mentioned earlier, almost everything he said today directly contradicts what he'd been saying up to today.  Who knows where the truth lies?

During the season you say whatever is best for the media to stay off your back for the day.  The end of the season the truth comes out.  Pretty obvious what is being said today is the truth.

They said that stuff during last off-season too.

The message between this offseason and last offseason are polar opposites.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I haven't seen the full presser, but from the clips on TSN, particularly with Leiweke, I get the sense that Phaneuf will, at a minimum, be stripped of his C.

I would take Leiweke's comments with a grain of salt.  As I mentioned earlier, almost everything he said today directly contradicts what he'd been saying up to today.  Who knows where the truth lies?

During the season you say whatever is best for the media to stay off your back for the day.  The end of the season the truth comes out.  Pretty obvious what is being said today is the truth.

They said that stuff during last off-season too.

The message between this offseason and last offseason are polar opposites.

They're saying they knew going into the season that there were major problems with the roster.  Completely revisionist.

Hell, just a WEEK ago he said: ?the Leafs had a pretty good year last year and I didn?t think I had to fix them.?

EDIT: This week? "I thought the playoffs last year were masking what were deeper problems."

 

[Kin]

Look, he is smart, has a PhD in hockey and doesn't leave things unturned.

Lots of good hockey players haven't been able to transition their on-ice skills into being competent managers or executives within the game. Did Kevin Lowe not have a "PhD" in hockey? Doesn't Randy Carlyle? Didn't Wayne Gretzky?

Time and time again it's been pretty well established that being a terrific player doesn't automatically translate into abilities elsewhere.

  Maybe it's novel to you that smart people can be good at things that they may not have much experience at, but that's the reality of the world.  If you think Shanny is inexperienced when it comes to constructing hockey teams than I have an ocean-front condo to sell you in Nebraska.

Well, leaving aside the fact that these two sentences more or less entirely contradict each other my point isn't that Shanahan can't be good, just that he certainly hasn't proven it and it certainly wasn't what he did when he was with the NHL. Familiarity with hockey isn't the job. John Ferguson Jr. was a well regarded young executive who spent his whole life within the game of hockey.

 

[L K]

Carlyle not being there - meaningful or not?

I don't think coaches usually come out for these sort of things. So not.

Including no discussion with the media on locker cleanout day?

 

[Optimus Reimer]

Well, leaving aside the fact that these two sentences more or less entirely contradict each other my point isn't that Shanahan can't be good, just that he certainly hasn't proven it and it certainly wasn't what he did when he was with the NHL. Familiarity with hockey isn't the job. John Ferguson Jr. was a well regarded young executive who spent his whole life within the game of hockey.
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I know quite a few people who spent a long time in the same profession but sucked such as my former doctor, an airline pilot who was so incompetent he raised the landing gear while the plane was sitting on the ground (he did a lot of other bad things as well).  Just because someone is highly regarded does not necessarily mean that person will obtain results as in JFJ and Burke to an extent.  So even though this is a new gig for Shanny, we should cut him some slack to see what he can do.   

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Carlyle not being there - meaningful or not?

I don't think coaches usually come out for these sort of things. So not.

Including no discussion with the media on locker cleanout day?

Hmm, yeah that is a little more interesting.

 

[Kin]

Just because someone is highly regarded does not necessarily mean that person will obtain results as in JFJ and Burke to an extent.  So even though this is a new gig for Shanny, we should cut him some slack to see what he can do. 

Yeah, again, after JFJ I'm going to be naturally wary of the team hiring someone without any track record of results in terms of team-building. Burke might not have been good enough to stick around but he was still significantly better than Ferguson was in the job.

 

[bustaheims]

Carlyle not being there - meaningful or not?

I don't think coaches usually come out for these sort of things. So not.

Including no discussion with the media on locker cleanout day?

That, and the way they answered questions about him - very brief and non-committal - speaks volumes to me about his lack of future behind the Leafs' bench.

 

[L K]

Carlyle not being there - meaningful or not?

I don't think coaches usually come out for these sort of things. So not.

Including no discussion with the media on locker cleanout day?

That, and the way they answered questions about him - very brief and non-committal - speaks volumes to me about his lack of future behind the Leafs' bench.

I mean he could have at least mentioned how he wanted to beat up his rival after his last game like Torts!  Seriously, how does the NHL allow this guy to get another job...he honestly sounds like that 12 year kid on the playground who threatens to beat everyone up.

 

[Redleaf]

Carlyle not being there - meaningful or not?

I don't think coaches usually come out for these sort of things. So not.

Including no discussion with the media on locker cleanout day?

That, and the way they answered questions about him - very brief and non-committal - speaks volumes to me about his lack of future behind the Leafs' bench.

I mean he could have at least mentioned how he wanted to beat up his rival after his last game like Torts!  Seriously, how does the NHL allow this guy to get another job...he honestly sounds like that 12 year kid on the playground who threatens to beat everyone up.

Its chalked up to intensity and desire to win at all costs.

 

[AvroArrow]

Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris 3m

Dave Nonis points out the #leafs core players on long-term deals don't have no-move clauses. "They're movable."

 

[L K]

Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris 3m

Dave Nonis points out the #leafs core players on long-term deals don't have no-move clauses. "They're movable."

The question to me isn't so much about whether a contract can be moved, but how much value is lost because of the long-term deal.  I mean, even a contract like Luongo's that leaves Vancouver assuming ALL of the cap-risk was only worth a couple of out of favour prospects.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Carlyle not being there - meaningful or not?

I don't think coaches usually come out for these sort of things. So not.

Including no discussion with the media on locker cleanout day?

That, and the way they answered questions about him - very brief and non-committal - speaks volumes to me about his lack of future behind the Leafs' bench.

Some more:

@Hope_Smoke

Shanahan "I do think Carlyle is a good coach in the NHL & I have a lot of respect for him but I think that's something that I'm going to have to talk with Nonis & look at our entire structure"

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Saying all the right things:

@Hope_Smoke

Shanahan "information is power and then you can choose how you want to use it. Whether it's from a scout or from analytics"

@Hope_Smoke

Shanahan "I'm not a closed minded person. I think anytime there is info that can help you. I mean, information is power"

@Hope_Smoke

Shanahan "I think it's important to get all types of information and then make a more educated decision"

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That, and the way they answered questions about him - very brief and non-committal - speaks volumes to me about his lack of future behind the Leafs' bench.

If they gave him the dreaded "vote of confidence" then we could be having this exact same conversation. I'm leaning more towards them firing him now, but I still think it wouldn't have happened if Nonis was running the show. So we can both be right.

 

[ZBBM]

Saying all the right things:

@Hope_Smoke

Shanahan "information is power and then you can choose how you want to use it. Whether it's from a scout or from analytics"

@Hope_Smoke

Shanahan "I'm not a closed minded person. I think anytime there is info that can help you. I mean, information is power"

@Hope_Smoke

Shanahan "I think it's important to get all types of information and then make a more educated decision"

Yeah, but when info contradicts your gut then you have a problem.  You have confusion.  You have cognitive dissonance.  You have the potential for complete paralysis of your decisionmaking functionality.  That's why guys like RC have to lead with their hockey IQ, not their IQ IQ.  Guy's got a PhD in Hockey and he sure as hell didn't earn it by sitting around reading information.

 

[Redleaf]

The one thing that stuck out to me during the pressor today was Shanahan's apparent admiration for Nonis, and how he admitted to liking the non-moves as much as the moves Nonis has made so far. He apparently, like Nonis, is patient in his decision making.

If this is true, I think he will fit right in and will work well with Nonis moving forward. Patience is the biggest reason I like Nonis. The guy has been true to his word when he says he will only deal away youth for youth in return, and will hold on to the majority of his draft picks. That has been the most refreshing change to this organization in as long as I can remember.

There are no quick fixes, especially with the cap in place now, and draft picks are the only real solution to building a solid successful team.

The rotation of a proper system will take a bit more time and patience to come to fruition. But when it starts to work, the farm team should consistently spit out 'properly' developed players that are ready to hit the ground running, every single season.

I'm expecting a few more years of patience now from the organization with what I'm hearing so far from Shanahan. If I'm right on this, I think the Leafs may have finally made the most important adjustment to the new, salary capped NHL.