Bruins @ Leafs - Oct. 25th, 7:00pm - CBC, TSN 1050

[Jeremiad]

This 2nd period intermission segment with Nik effing Kypreos is the worst thing in the history of the universe. Sportsnet has to back off the CBC when it comes to production.  Mother of god.

I have two words for you.  Al.  Strachan.

I'd rather watch Al Strachan singing karaoke in drag than watch 5 seconds of Nik Kypreos doing his meathead-in-a-suit bit.

Good one.

 

[Kin]

Not understanding your point.  The obvious thing to do was just let him go.  And in this case, the obvious thing was also the right thing.

My point is that the Leafs realistically had one of two legitimate options. Either you fire him, which I might have leaned towards, or you keep him around and give him an extension.

The third option, that you seem to be advocating, is keeping Carlyle but not extending him which is basically saying that you have no faith in the guy you've chosen to coach the team at which point you should probably just fire him.

 

[Damian]

After such an emotional opening, you 'd think they would come out better than the bag of limp d*cks they were....

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Of course, but he could have nixed an extension for Carlyle and told Nonis to find someone else.  Giving RC a 2-year deal after an incompetent season was just asinine.

Letting Nonis fire Carlyle though is almost like giving Nonis a cheat code though. If you let him fire Randy and bring in a new coach, then you need to give that new coach a bit more rope to make a decision on how the team is being run, which possibly buys Nonis an extra year or two.

The only decision Shanahan could have made last offseason was fire both or let them both stay. Their jobs are absolutely 100% linked. And like I said, I can understand why Shanahan maybe wanted some people in the organization that had knowledge of the existing team AND some guys with a fresh perspective, which is why he kept Nonis/Randy but turfed basically everybody else.

 

[TML fan]

Who's the last coach to win Stanley Cups with different teams?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

So apparently the post game message from the coach was that compete level wasn't high enough.

I mean, I know they have to say something afterwards, but that's it?

Literally, I think there has been close to 100 games where that has been the hymn being sung after dropping a turd.

Anyone care to challenge the players or coach for a better answer?

 

[Kin]

Who's the last coach to win Stanley Cups with different teams?

Probably Bowman.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Also, for all the talk of firing Randy, I'd happily watch this trainwreck of a season play out if it means getting a top-3 or 4 draft pick this year.

 

[mc]

Compete level wasn't high enough? Yah, haven't heard that in the past 3 years.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Who's the last coach to win Stanley Cups with different teams?

Probably Bowman.

Correct. And I'm pretty sure you need to go back pretty far to find another.

 

[Kin]

Anyone care to challenge the players or coach for a better answer?

I mean, it's meaningless buzz-speak sure but considering the reaction to him levelling even the mildest of perceived criticism at an actual player last year it's pretty hard to expect him to actually come out swinging.

 

[TML fan]

Also, for all the talk of firing Randy, I'd happily watch this trainwreck of a season play out if it means getting a top-3 or 4 draft pick this year.

Well, some would contest that Randy isn't part of the problem. So firing him shouldn't really change anything in that regard, but at least we'd know.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Well, some would contest that Randy isn't part of the problem. So firing him shouldn't really change anything in that regard, but at least we'd know.

He might not be THE problem, but I have no idea how somebody could say he isn't part of it.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Anyone care to challenge the players or coach for a better answer?

I mean, it's meaningless buzz-speak sure but considering the reaction to him levelling even the mildest of perceived criticism at an actual player last year it's pretty hard to expect him to actually come out swinging.

I think in a situation like this coming out swinging is warranted, its clear now that everyone can see the abject failure top to bottom, challenge people or at the very least speak about specific systematic failures.

Using buzzwords at this stage is insulting.

 

[L K]

Also, for all the talk of firing Randy, I'd happily watch this trainwreck of a season play out if it means getting a top-3 or 4 draft pick this year.

Who knows, maybe this team will just completely implode, sell-off trades might happen to the secondary parts of the core and they do well with the lottery and get one of McDavid/Eichel.  I'd be ok with Dylan Strome too.

 

[Damian]

and Nonis gave Captain Plowhorse a retirement contract... oy

 

[Kin]

I think in a situation like this coming out swinging is warranted, its clear now that everyone can see the abject failure top to bottom, challenge people or at the very least speak about specific systematic failures.

Using buzzwords at this stage is insulting.

I agree for the most part. I just don't expect him to come out and talk about how his system is to blame because I assume he wants to work in hockey again and I think he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't if he mentions players specifically.

 

[TML fan]

Well, some would contest that Randy isn't part of the problem. So firing him shouldn't really change anything in that regard, but at least we'd know.

He might not be THE problem, but I have no idea how somebody could say he isn't part of it.

I think that firing Randy and hiring a coach who doesn't try to force feed a style of play to a team that is ill equipped to handle it would probably make the Leafs a playoff team, and if that's what they want to be they should go for it. All they're doing by keeping him around is wasting precious time. The Leafs probably won't win a Cup with the core they've assembled but at this point if you're not going to blow it up you should at least try to fluke your way to a championship.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

@mirtle: This is another postgame that feels like the end of last season. Not a lot of answers. "We need to work harder" etc.



That's the sense I get too, they need to make a change now because basically if it remains status quo, season is over.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Who's the last coach to win Stanley Cups with different teams?

Probably Bowman.

Correct. And I'm pretty sure you need to go back pretty far to find another.

By my research, Dick Irvin won Cups with Toronto in 1932 and Montreal in 1944, 1946, and 1953.  And Tommy Gorman back-to-back in 1934 and 1935 with the Montreal Maroons and Chicago Black Hawks.  I think that might be it.

Maybe a Stanley Cup on a coach's resume isn't such a good thing, after all...