Contract: Skittles Edition

[azzurri63]

Crazy these guys coming off their ELC's are making this much money.

Players making a lot of money in the years where they figure to be the most valuable is actually the opposite of crazy. It's diverting money from the Matt Bieleskys and David Clarksons into the pockets of the guys actually driving revenues for the league.


And Chiarelli by no means started the paying of exceptional players a ton of money in their 2nd deals.

I understand that players like Marner, Matthews etc are the ones that drive their teams but I personally don't think after 3 years in the league you deserve the money that is thrown around. Guys like Tavares have been around for a long time and earned their dues so paying him the $11 million good for him. He's deserved it. You get guys now that have 1 good year and get big dollars. Good for them but if you wanna try and keep a good young team together good luck. I understand it's hard to compare, the cap has gone up but Bergeron got 4.7 hit, Backstrom 6.7 hit on their second contracts which he is still on I believe.
Draisaitl 8.5. 

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Guys like Tavares have been around for a long time and earned their dues so paying him the $11 million good for him. He's deserved it. You get guys now that have 1 good year and get big dollars.

Yeah, that's kind of the art of GM'ing these days. There's been so many mistakes where GM's have overpaid for what a player has done, as opposed to what he's still capable of doing. I'm glad that Tavares is working out, but there's lot of players that have been handed a sweetheart deal based upon "earned dues"- exhibit A - Clarkson, David - that simply weren't going to live up to the value or term.

Regarding Marner, he's not worth much less than Matthews, in my opinion. The biggest thing Matthews has over him is his draft position, and him being a center.

 

[Redleaf]

Ive asked this before, and the results were about what I expected at the time. With this prolonged slump I'm wondering if anyones opinions have changed. Who would be ok with a Matthews & Nylander swap for Connor McDavid?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Ive asked this before, and the results were about what I expected at the time. With this prolonged slump I'm wondering if anyones opinions have changed. Who would be ok with a Matthews & Nylander swap for Connor McDavid?

Nope.

 

[Bates]

Ive asked this before, and the results were about what I expected at the time. With this prolonged slump I'm wondering if anyones opinions have changed. Who would be ok with a Matthews & Nylander swap for Connor McDavid?

Yes

 

[azzurri63]

Ive asked this before, and the results were about what I expected at the time. With this prolonged slump I'm wondering if anyones opinions have changed. Who would be ok with a Matthews & Nylander swap for Connor McDavid?

Don?t think the Oilers would go for that.

 

[Kin]

I understand that players like Marner, Matthews etc are the ones that drive their teams but I personally don't think after 3 years in the league you deserve the money that is thrown around.

It's not about "driving" their teams, it's about generating revenue. People are buying Matthews and McDavid jerseys. They're buying tickets to watch those guys play. They should be getting a fair cut of that money.

Because players get a fixed % of league revenues, every dollar that isn't going to the actual bankable stars is going to lesser players. How does that make even the tiniest bit of sense? Why should Ron Hainsey be making money off Auston Matthews jerseys?

I understand it's hard to compare, the cap has gone up but Bergeron got 4.7 hit, Backstrom 6.7 hit on their second contracts which he is still on I believe.

It's not hard to compare. You just use % of the cap. Bergeron's 4.7 represented 10.8% of the cap when it was signed. Backstrom's represented 11.24% of the cap.

Nylander, by comparison, signed a deal with an AAV that represented only 8.7% of the cap.

 

[Kin]

Ive asked this before, and the results were about what I expected at the time. With this prolonged slump I'm wondering if anyones opinions have changed. Who would be ok with a Matthews & Nylander swap for Connor McDavid?

I've always found that the best and most clearheaded decisions on players are made in the middle of slumps.

 

[Redleaf]

Ive asked this before, and the results were about what I expected at the time. With this prolonged slump I'm wondering if anyones opinions have changed. Who would be ok with a Matthews & Nylander swap for Connor McDavid?

Don?t think the Oilers would go for that.

You mean right now because of the Leafs slump or even when Matthews and Nylander get back on course and are both firing on all cylinders? My thought is a little focused on the upcoming cap crunch here too. I realize this will likely never happen, but Im not sure what else you could throw together to try and pry McDavid out of Edmonton.

EDIT: Its sort of fun to think about, because for the first time ever I would think, the Leafs probably do have some combination of players (on paper at least) they could offer to try and trade for the best player in the game, who also hails from the Toronto area.

 

[Deebo]

Given that we know Dubas is willing to let things go deep into the season, is Marner prepared to as well?

One thing to keep in mind here is that Dubas was partially able to wait with Nylander because he had plenty of cap space this season to afford the bump in his Year 1 AAV that came along with him signing late. Next season the Leafs will almost certainly not have that cap space, so there will be more of an urgency to get these contracts done than there was with Nylander.

That's not how the cap works. You only count against the cap for the days you are actually on the roster.

Nylander's first year cap hit will be 6,962,366. It's the 10,277,778 1st year annual AAV pro-rated down to the time he was on the roster.

It's why when you go on cap friendly, it says that the Leafs could add up to 13,733,667 in AAV right now even though the total AAV of the contracts they have add up to 73,962,231 and that their deadline cap space is 25,750,626.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That's not how the cap works. You only count against the cap for the days you are actually on the roster.

Nylander's first year cap hit will be 6,962,366. It's the 10,277,778 1st year annual AAV pro-rated down to the time he was on the roster.

It's why when you go on cap friendly, it says that the Leafs could add up to 13,733,667 in AAV right now even though the total AAV of the contracts they have add up to 73,962,231 and that their deadline cap space is 25,750,626.

You're right that'll be his total cap hit by the end of the season, but his daily hit is still based off that $10.27mil figure. But I suppose the amount that the Leafs banked/saved during his absence likely negate that bump so maybe it's not as big of a deal as I thought.

 

[herman]

That's not how the cap works. You only count against the cap for the days you are actually on the roster.

Nylander's first year cap hit will be 6,962,366. It's the 10,277,778 1st year annual AAV pro-rated down to the time he was on the roster.

It's why when you go on cap friendly, it says that the Leafs could add up to 13,733,667 in AAV right now even though the total AAV of the contracts they have add up to 73,962,231 and that their deadline cap space is 25,750,626.

You're right that'll be his total cap hit by the end of the season, but his daily hit is still based off that $10.27mil figure. But I suppose the amount that the Leafs banked/saved during his absence likely negate that bump so maybe it's not as big of a deal as I thought.

Yeah, Deebo explained this to me earlier too and it took me awhile to wrap my brain around it..

 

[Deebo]

That's not how the cap works. You only count against the cap for the days you are actually on the roster.

Nylander's first year cap hit will be 6,962,366. It's the 10,277,778 1st year annual AAV pro-rated down to the time he was on the roster.

It's why when you go on cap friendly, it says that the Leafs could add up to 13,733,667 in AAV right now even though the total AAV of the contracts they have add up to 73,962,231 and that their deadline cap space is 25,750,626.

You're right that'll be his total cap hit by the end of the season, but his daily hit is still based off that $10.27mil figure. But I suppose the amount that the Leafs banked/saved during his absence likely negate that bump so maybe it's not as big of a deal as I thought.

It negates the bump fully.

If he signed for the same amount of total money prior to the season, the daily cap hit would have been based on 6,962,366 and he would have been on the roster for the whole year so the full year cap hit would be exactly the same.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/nitikra/status/1091165600100044800

God I love our GM.

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/nitikra/status/1091165600100044800

God I love our GM.

Dubas trolling Dreger?

I'm guessing that Dregers's "sources" are Paul Marner and Darren Ferris.  They want to use the threat of offer sheets to drive up the price.

 

[herman]

I hope everyone loves the taste of rainbows
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1092979673661915136

 

[Kin]

I really wouldn't read too much into someone trying to negotiate in the media.

 

[Zee]

Darren "we won't negotiate in season" Ferris is now negotiating through the media, lovely. He'll get the same as Matthews, it's what he wanted all along

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Yeah maybe my July 1st offer sheet scenario isn't that outrageous. Ah well, welcome to the team Erik Karlsson.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I hope everyone loves the taste of rainbows
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1092979673661915136

?Nobody else is taking a discount. And now you?re asking (Marner) to take one again? It?s nonsense,? Ferris said. ?Mitch already did them a favour on the entry-level deal.?

Ferris said Marner?s entry-level contract, signed under the purview of former general manager Lou Lamoriello, remains a point of contention. While Ferris negotiated so-called Schedule A bonuses for Marner worth a potential $850,000 annually, the agent said he was told it was blanket club policy not to hand out lucrative Schedule B bonuses, which came with the potential of an additional $2 million in annual earnings. It didn?t sit well when it was learned that Matthews signed a deal not long after that included both Schedule A and Schedule B bonuses.

Oh cool. Thanks Lou.