Contracts for the Big-3

[Bates]

An old post:

The Leafs will raise the cap themselves by being awesome.

As ridiculous as that may sound there's truth to it. No question, the NHL makes more when the Leafs are competitive. If the cap is $80M and the cap is determined by 50% of league revenues then league revenues equals $80M / 50% x 31 teams = $4.96B? Can anyone confirm the league revenue figure?

So if the Leafs want to move the cap themselves by $6M to pay for a Nylander it would require $372M more in revenues [(6M x 31 teams)/50%].

That's in a vacuum, it needs everyone else to stay equal.

 

[Bates]

I said this before but yes the Leafs can raise the cap by being good.

In a very very limited way, though. They basically have to increase their contributions to HRR by $62M to raise the cap $1M.

Where did you get the $62M number from? My math spits out exactly that.

$62 million divided by half divided by 31 teams equals $1 million per team.

 

[cabber24]

Stanley Cup run for the Leafs.

Assumptions:
Average Price Per Ticket $400
Number of Home Games 11
Scotia Centre Capacity 18,800

Total Playoff Ticket Revenue = $82,720,000
Less a different team with $250 average ticket price =-51,700,000
Leafs Cup Increase in Ticket Revenue = 31,020,000 which would move the cap just $500,000...

Not as high as I thought it would be but obviously there are a lot more revenues to be made besides tickets sales.

 

[cabber24]

I said this before but yes the Leafs can raise the cap by being good.

In a very very limited way, though. They basically have to increase their contributions to HRR by $62M to raise the cap $1M.

Where did you get the $62M number from? My math spits out exactly that.

$62 million divided by half divided by 31 teams equals $1 million per team.

Yep, that is a lot easier math then how I got to the same place.

 

[Zee]

I'm really starting to think that Nylander might miss the entire season.  There are 2 days left.


It's always darkest before the dawn?

 

[bustaheims]

Where did you get the $62M number from? My math spits out exactly that.

HRR is split 50/50, so, in order to raise the cap by $1M, revenues needs to go up $2M per team, which is $62M.

 

[TML fan]

Obviously there has to be a limit to what Dubas can accept but at the end of the day, even if we end up signing Nylander, at this point it has to go down as a failure on Dubas' part.  He was the one who put the expectation out there with his comments after signing Tavares.  We just played 30 games without one of our best players and that just simply isn't a good thing.

And how is that a failure on Dubas? I remember an interview where Dubas said he talked to the Big 3 before signing JT and all were good with it so I would think he mentioned money going forward for them. We may never find out what has been offered.

Talking to everyone and saying "hey will you take a bit of a pay cut to get JT here" is different than say the difference between Nylander wanting 8 million and offering 6 million.  I think the biggest problem is that we have been debating media numbers when the Leafs have been historically tight lipped about numbers and even with Dubas being more media friendly he has not been one to disclose negotiation points in detail.

You can agree to take one for the team, but the simple fact that we are sitting here in essentially December without a resolution has to go on the GM.  It's his job to navigate this stuff and thus far he has been unsuccessful.

What's the rush? They're still winning games.

Winning games but also in a tough division where they could finish with a top 10 record and never play a home playoff series.  Points in October/November still matter.  They are winning but they also went through a stretch where they struggled to score at home and depth certainly plays a factor in that.

They're going to slump with Nylander too.

 

[bustaheims]

An old post:

The Leafs will raise the cap themselves by being awesome.

As ridiculous as that may sound there's truth to it. No question, the NHL makes more when the Leafs are competitive. If the cap is $80M and the cap is determined by 50% of league revenues then league revenues equals $80M / 50% x 31 teams = $4.96B? Can anyone confirm the league revenue figure?

So if the Leafs want to move the cap themselves by $6M to pay for a Nylander it would require $372M more in revenues [(6M x 31 teams)/50%].

Just an FYI, the ceiling is not representative of the total league revenue. It's based on another formula that has to do with what used to be an exact midpoint, but now is more of a floating number. League-wide HRR is closer to the $4.2B-$4.5B range.

 

[jdh1]

I,m giving my .02 cents on what's happening. The contract value has been worked out,but Dubas is trying to trade him for a cap friendly top 4 defenceman and some change.

They need a top 4 for the playoffs more than another scorer. With Gardiner becoming a too expensive free agent in the off season,this would solve their defenceman shortage as well for next year at a cheaper dollar than Gardner.

 

[bustaheims]

That's in a vacuum, it needs everyone else to stay equal.

This is also an important point. To move the cap $1M, the Leafs need to add $62M to HRR over and above an average team - and, that's in US dollars, remember. Their actual impact on the cap from having a strong playoff run is really not significant.

 

[cujo4ever]

Just sign him already!

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

I can't believe that Babcock would continually make comments concerning Nylander signing  unless it was pretty much a done deal. If a deal isn't done by 5PM on Saturday the media will tear him apart. Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Zee]

I can't believe that Babcock would continually make comments concerning Nylander signing  unless it was pretty much a done deal. If a deal isn't done by 5PM on Saturday the media will tear him apart. Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

I think it's just Babcock being the eternal optimist. Babcock isn't involved in the negotiations so why would the media go after him? It would be Dubas and Shanahan answering why Nylander isn't signed

 

[sickbeast]

I can't believe that Babcock would continually make comments concerning Nylander signing  unless it was pretty much a done deal. If a deal isn't done by 5PM on Saturday the media will tear him apart. Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

I think it's just Babcock being the eternal optimist. Babcock isn't involved in the negotiations so why would the media go after him? It would be Dubas and Shanahan answering why Nylander isn't signed

I personally think it's manipulation.  The organization wants Nylander to sign.

 

[Zee]

I can't believe that Babcock would continually make comments concerning Nylander signing  unless it was pretty much a done deal. If a deal isn't done by 5PM on Saturday the media will tear him apart. Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

I think it's just Babcock being the eternal optimist. Babcock isn't involved in the negotiations so why would the media go after him? It would be Dubas and Shanahan answering why Nylander isn't signed

I personally think it's manipulation.  The organization wants Nylander to sign.

Nah, they've said nothing but nice glowing remarks about him. Only pressure tactic was early on when Shanahan gave his "take less" speech

 

[sickbeast]

I can't believe that Babcock would continually make comments concerning Nylander signing  unless it was pretty much a done deal. If a deal isn't done by 5PM on Saturday the media will tear him apart. Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

I think it's just Babcock being the eternal optimist. Babcock isn't involved in the negotiations so why would the media go after him? It would be Dubas and Shanahan answering why Nylander isn't signed

I personally think it's manipulation.  The organization wants Nylander to sign.

Nah, they've said nothing but nice glowing remarks about him. Only pressure tactic was early on when Shanahan gave his "take less" speech

The organization wants Nylander to sign because they are saying nice things to him and are kind to him.  Nylander wants them to be kind to him and show him the money!  ;D

 

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[slapshot]

I think if Nylander doesn't sign with the Leafs, he is a moron and let him rot elsewhere, anywhere! I feel very confident the Leafs made him a fair offer. If he cares more about money than his teammates and winning a cup, he can screw off.
Let Dubas get the best possible return either now or hopefully at the trade deadline (to add assets for a cup run this year).
Personally, I am not as anxious about the d-man situation as most seem to be. I think Ozhiganov has improved quite a bit from his first few games and has some serious upside. Babcock has been a fan of his passing (calling it "elite") his size and steadiness.  I've watched his passing closely since Babs said that, and he is indeed a very good passer, aside from one faux pas where he threw it up the center of the ice thinking he could hit Kapanen, but Kappy skated to the right instead of the left and Ozi looked extra bad. Just a miscalculation IMO.  Also, he doesn't seem to panic much and isn't afraid to take the body. He may be a sleeper, similar to a guy like Anton Stralman, who took a few years to become a solid d-man, but he was younger. I think Ozi might ramp up more quickly than expected. Plus we got Liljgren and Sandin doing well on the Marlies, and more D prospects beyond that.  I can see Dubas adding one right handed d at the trade deadline and Hainsey becoming this year's Matt Martin. He has definitely lost a step. 

 

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IIRC he was kind of sheepish about that in the 2nd int.

 

[ZBBM]

I think if Nylander doesn't sign with the Leafs, he is a moron and let him rot elsewhere, anywhere! I feel very confident the Leafs made him a fair offer. If he cares more about money than his teammates and winning a cup, he can screw off.

I kind of feel the same way, but I'm trying not to post stuff like this to avoid giving Islander fans fodder for the boo-frigging-hoo fest they will throw if Nylander doesn't re-sign.