bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
He'd been on the way out for a while now. Clearly, they never really listened to him.
Devils acquire Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson
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He'd been on the way out for a while now. Clearly, they never really listened to him.
Kin
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I don't get parting ways with Dellow but I'm still waiting on someone to tell me what the Oilers should have done short of going into another year with an all-world forward group and lousy defense. Trade for a year of Shattenkirk? Draft from the so-so group of defensemen available at #4?
Coco-puffs
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Nik the Trik said:
Especially when Puljujarvi falls into their lap at #4.
Kin
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Coco-puffs said:
Well, and there being quite a bit of debate as to whether or not any of those defensemen are NHL ready or #1 sorts.
So I don't know how quick I'd be to lump this in with Montreal. If the Montreal analytics guy was saying Subban is an objectively better defenseman than Weber, that's pretty straight forward. Was Dellow saying that, objectively, Hall is better than Larsson/Lucic? How would you even try to figure that out?
If Dellow really went to bat for keeping that group of forwards together without an answer for fixing the defense I'd have fired him too.
To be clear, there hasn't been anyone yet to say that Dellow was let go for any specific reason. And there hasn't been anything said about what he felt about the Hall-Larsson trade specifically. That was just me joking around.
As for the trade itself, I don't really know what the answer to Edmonton's defensive woes are. But I just don't think trading a top-5 left-winger in hockey for a #3 defenceman is it. At the very least I think more should have came back to Edmonton in addition to Larsson, but that's obviously easy to say without any actual knowledge of the negotiations.
As for the trade itself, I don't really know what the answer to Edmonton's defensive woes are. But I just don't think trading a top-5 left-winger in hockey for a #3 defenceman is it. At the very least I think more should have came back to Edmonton in addition to Larsson, but that's obviously easy to say without any actual knowledge of the negotiations.
CarltonTheBear said:
I think the notion is that New Jersey valued him pretty high, from reading fan response to questions about his availability, they were certainly forward in a stalwart wall of 'no'. However, there really should have been more coming back, and I think Larsson is a heck of a defenseman.
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
I'd be the first to admit that's not ideal but realistically any trade the Oilers made was going to be one where what they shipped out wasn't as good as what they got back if they were trading forward for defense. If they could have gotten Lindholm for Hall or gone with RNH for Larsson they probably would.
I don't think this trade gets made if the Oilers aren't sort of at a critical mass.
Nik the Trik said:
It's impossible for fans to know what other opportunities are available to a GM unfortunately, so it is a tough question to answer. But, yeah, wait for another opportunity, if that is the only option available right now. Suffer a bit more pain. After all, Oilers fans seem just about as used to it as Leafs fans.
CopperNBlue (http://www.coppernblue.com/2016/7/6/12105652/oilers-hall-larsson-trade) comments the Oilers may have applied the politician's syllogism:
We must do something
This is something
Therefore, we must do this.
But that doesn't make it a good deal for the oilers.
CarltonTheBear said:
Yeah, I think you just have to walk away from the negotiating table if the other side won't budge from this position... hope they come back to the table later or someone else puts forward a better offer. It'll be hard to get to the top of the league if you trade down so badly.
Kin
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princedpw said:
Well, except there's waiting around hoping that someone might lower their asking price 10% and there's waiting around hoping someone will offer you a Porsche for 30 bucks. We don't know the entirety of what might have happened but we can make some pretty reasonable assumptions:
- Top flight young defensemen are rarely traded
- A young defenseman who would ranks comparably among defensemen as Hall does among wingers is more valuable than Hall on the market.
- Edmonton knows that not all opportunities to make trades apply to them as they're an undesirable FA destination/on many NTC lists.
Given all that I think we have to look at what got done combined with what we saw elsewhere on the trade market(and especially things like what Montreal reportedly asked from Edmonton for Subban) and judge this along those lines. Edmonton wasn't in the driver's seat here and they were unlikely to ever be unless they looked to address their defense by trading McDavid.
I really think what you're advocating is essentially advocating for never making a trade.
herman
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When do we get the hotly anticipated 'Leafs acquire Tyler Dellow' thread?
He once wrote about the Leafs' smart move of hiring Kyle Dubas (link), similar to another blogger writing the same thing who was promptly hired.
He once wrote about the Leafs' smart move of hiring Kyle Dubas (link), similar to another blogger writing the same thing who was promptly hired.