Draft Pick Watch - WE PICKED NYLANDER!!1!!

[CarltonTheBear]

I would love it if the leafs could draft nylander at 8 and somehow trade into an early second round pick to end up with Ho-Sang...I think hes going to be a bargain where he ends up being drafted!

I guess you read that Simmons article. I honestly came out of that article wishing the Leafs can snag him up somewhere. Hope he becomes a huge star.

 

[KW Sluggo]

Man, it's almost as if a rebuilding team trading away high draft picks to be instantly competitive is a really terrible way to assemble a roster.

Bingo!

Draft Schmaft doesn't work. And it hasn't worked here in 20 years.

Spending the development and scouting dollars to draft wisely does. It has worked in Detroit (and elsewhere) for 20 years.

Dots connected, end of story.

 

[AvroArrow]

I would love it if the leafs could draft nylander at 8 and somehow trade into an early second round pick to end up with Ho-Sang...I think hes going to be a bargain where he ends up being drafted!

I guess you read that Simmons article. I honestly came out of that article wishing the Leafs can snag him up somewhere. Hope he becomes a huge star.

Sounds like the high risk, high reward type Shanny said he wants.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I would love it if the leafs could draft nylander at 8 and somehow trade into an early second round pick to end up with Ho-Sang...I think hes going to be a bargain where he ends up being drafted!

I guess you read that Simmons article. I honestly came out of that article wishing the Leafs can snag him up somewhere. Hope he becomes a huge star.

Smart kid. I haven't seen him play, but his attitude is beyond his years. You can kind of tell that he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder, but if he's had to deal with racial bias, compounded by his head on demeanor, you learn the world pretty quick. It's unfortunate that racial profiling still goes on in this era, if indeed that has been his experience. It's clear he's gone through something, but I like that he wants to deal with it up front and open.

 

[ZBBM]

I would love it if the leafs could draft nylander at 8 and somehow trade into an early second round pick to end up with Ho-Sang...I think hes going to be a bargain where he ends up being drafted!

I guess you read that Simmons article. I honestly came out of that article wishing the Leafs can snag him up somewhere. Hope he becomes a huge star.

Smart kid. I haven't seen him play, but his attitude is beyond his years. You can kind of tell that he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder, but if he's had to deal with racial bias, compounded by his head on demeanor, you learn the world pretty quick. It's unfortunate that racial profiling still goes on in this era, if indeed that has been his experience. It's clear he's gone through something, but I like that he wants to deal with it up front and open.

Fascinating article.

Simmons got it right for once: hockey is run by conformists.

 

[Kin]

So, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it sort of seems like it's shaping up so that the draft has sort of a consensu top 7 in Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett, Dal Colle, Draisatl, Nylander and Virtanen and that, with the #8 pick, the Leafs are in the position of either hoping someone above them reaches down or they will have to pick from a sort of next tier of prospects about whom there's very little consensus on.

 

[bustaheims]

So, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it sort of seems like it's shaping up so that the draft has sort of a consensu top 7 in Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett, Dal Colle, Draisatl, Nylander and Virtanen and that, with the #8 pick, the Leafs are in the position of either hoping someone above them reaches down or they will have to pick from a sort of next tier of prospects about whom there's very little consensus on.

You're missing Ehlers, who's pretty much become a consensus top 8 guy - though, Virtanen seems to have dropped significantly in the eyes of many. Really, outside the top 5, there seems to be another 5 guys who seems to be interchangeable in terms of ranking.

 

[Kin]

So, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it sort of seems like it's shaping up so that the draft has sort of a consensu top 7 in Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett, Dal Colle, Draisatl, Nylander and Virtanen and that, with the #8 pick, the Leafs are in the position of either hoping someone above them reaches down or they will have to pick from a sort of next tier of prospects about whom there's very little consensus on.

You're missing Ehlers, who's pretty much become a consensus top 8 guy.

I remembered reading the thing about the Leafs thinking he may be gone at #8 but in the very little reading I've done, TSN has Ehlers at 10 and the three mock drafts at NHL.com have him at 12, 13 and 6.

edit: Although, that said, there does seem to be a general bit of diceyness once you get to #6 so that may be where it falls off a bit.

 

[bustaheims]

I remembered reading the thing about the Leafs thinking he may be gone at #8 but in the very little reading I've done, TSN has Ehlers at 10 and the three mock drafts at NHL.com have him at 12, 13 and 6.

edit: Although, that said, there does seem to be a general bit of diceyness once you get to #6 so that may be where it falls off a bit.

Yeah. This is a somewhat unusual draft, in that there doesn't appear to really be a guy that would go 1st in a typical draft (and, maybe, not even a guy who would go 2nd). There's no clear #1 - any of Ekblad, Bennet or Reinhart could got 1st. They appear to be the clear top 3. Draisatl and Dal Colle seem to be the 4 & 5 guys, and, then things start to get really interesting. Ehlers, Nylander, Ritchie, Virtanen, Fleury, Fabbri, Fiala and Kapanen have all appeared in the 6-10 range in various mock drafts or rankings (though, Dabbri and Fiala are more recent additions, so, they're more likely to slide out of that group) - and a couple of these guys could very easily turn out to be the best players from this draft class.

 

[Bender]

I would love it if the leafs could draft nylander at 8 and somehow trade into an early second round pick to end up with Ho-Sang...I think hes going to be a bargain where he ends up being drafted!

I guess you read that Simmons article. I honestly came out of that article wishing the Leafs can snag him up somewhere. Hope he becomes a huge star.

Smart kid. I haven't seen him play, but his attitude is beyond his years. You can kind of tell that he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder, but if he's had to deal with racial bias, compounded by his head on demeanor, you learn the world pretty quick. It's unfortunate that racial profiling still goes on in this era, if indeed that has been his experience. It's clear he's gone through something, but I like that he wants to deal with it up front and open.

Fascinating article.

Simmons got it right for once: hockey is run by conformists.

The kid does sound like a huge brat though. I'm always skeptical of people who speak of themselves in grandiose ways. Half the time it's delusional.

 

[Andy007]

I would love it if the leafs could draft nylander at 8 and somehow trade into an early second round pick to end up with Ho-Sang...I think hes going to be a bargain where he ends up being drafted!

I guess you read that Simmons article. I honestly came out of that article wishing the Leafs can snag him up somewhere. Hope he becomes a huge star.

Smart kid. I haven't seen him play, but his attitude is beyond his years. You can kind of tell that he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder, but if he's had to deal with racial bias, compounded by his head on demeanor, you learn the world pretty quick. It's unfortunate that racial profiling still goes on in this era, if indeed that has been his experience. It's clear he's gone through something, but I like that he wants to deal with it up front and open.

Fascinating article.

Simmons got it right for once: hockey is run by conformists.

The kid does sound like a huge brat though. I'm always skeptical of people who speak of themselves in grandiose ways. Half the time it's delusional.

Yep I had the same impression. The criticism seems to be that he is a selfish player who doesn't share the puck and that, combined with his "I'm definitely the best player here", can be a dangerous mix in a young player.

 

[Andy007]

Here's another article on Ho-Sang:

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/nhl-draft-prospect-josh-ho-sang-critical-hockey-045006217.html

 

[AvroArrow]

The kid does sound like a huge brat though. I'm always skeptical of people who speak of themselves in grandiose ways. Half the time it's delusional.

Yep I had the same impression. The criticism seems to be that he is a selfish player who doesn't share the puck and that, combined with his "I'm definitely the best player here", can be a dangerous mix in a young player.

Would love to see how he gets along with Randy.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The criticism seems to be that he is a selfish player who doesn't share the puck and that, combined with his "I'm definitely the best player here", can be a dangerous mix in a young player.

I can't really say too much because I haven't really watched him, but according to ExtraSkater he was tied for 10th in the entire CHL in even-strength assists, and tied for 1st among draft-eligible players.

 

[freer]

The criticism seems to be that he is a selfish player who doesn't share the puck and that, combined with his "I'm definitely the best player here", can be a dangerous mix in a young player.

I can't really say too much because I haven't really watched him, but according to ExtraSkater he was tied for 10th in the entire CHL in even-strength assists, and tied for 1st among draft-eligible players.

I dont know either. I think he got the bum end of the deal, getting suspended in the playoffs. He seems very cocky, kinda reminds me of Kadri when he was younger. I am sure if he can learn to share, he will be a good player on any team.

 

[Andy007]

The criticism seems to be that he is a selfish player who doesn't share the puck and that, combined with his "I'm definitely the best player here", can be a dangerous mix in a young player.

I can't really say too much because I haven't really watched him, but according to ExtraSkater he was tied for 10th in the entire CHL in even-strength assists, and tied for 1st among draft-eligible players.

Yea that was touched upon in the article I posted. It just seemed from Simmons' article that there was criticism about his selfish style of play. The other article notes that his assist total seems to contradict that.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I would love it if the leafs could draft nylander at 8 and somehow trade into an early second round pick to end up with Ho-Sang...I think hes going to be a bargain where he ends up being drafted!

I guess you read that Simmons article. I honestly came out of that article wishing the Leafs can snag him up somewhere. Hope he becomes a huge star.

Smart kid. I haven't seen him play, but his attitude is beyond his years. You can kind of tell that he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder, but if he's had to deal with racial bias, compounded by his head on demeanor, you learn the world pretty quick. It's unfortunate that racial profiling still goes on in this era, if indeed that has been his experience. It's clear he's gone through something, but I like that he wants to deal with it up front and open.

Fascinating article.

Simmons got it right for once: hockey is run by conformists.

The kid does sound like a huge brat though. I'm always skeptical of people who speak of themselves in grandiose ways. Half the time it's delusional.

Yep I had the same impression. The criticism seems to be that he is a selfish player who doesn't share the puck and that, combined with his "I'm definitely the best player here", can be a dangerous mix in a young player.

I'd love him on my team if he's anywhere close to being as good as he thinks he is.  And I'd want him nowhere near my team if he's not.

 

[Peter D.]

Sounds like the high risk, high reward type Shanny said he wants.

I don't know much about Ho-Sang besides what's being written about him (was he not on commercials a few years back?), but I've wanted the Leafs for a while to take a flier on a few high risk, high reward type guys. 

We've seen the Leafs move up and/or blow picks on guys like Schenn, Biggs and Bolland in recent years.  It'd be nice to see them try to have some foresight and be a little unconventional where they grab a guy that in five years we look back and say, "Wow, what a steal."

 

[L K]

I would love it if the leafs could draft nylander at 8 and somehow trade into an early second round pick to end up with Ho-Sang...I think hes going to be a bargain where he ends up being drafted!

I guess you read that Simmons article. I honestly came out of that article wishing the Leafs can snag him up somewhere. Hope he becomes a huge star.

Smart kid. I haven't seen him play, but his attitude is beyond his years. You can kind of tell that he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder, but if he's had to deal with racial bias, compounded by his head on demeanor, you learn the world pretty quick. It's unfortunate that racial profiling still goes on in this era, if indeed that has been his experience. It's clear he's gone through something, but I like that he wants to deal with it up front and open.

Fascinating article.

Simmons got it right for once: hockey is run by conformists.

The kid does sound like a huge brat though. I'm always skeptical of people who speak of themselves in grandiose ways. Half the time it's delusional.

Yep I had the same impression. The criticism seems to be that he is a selfish player who doesn't share the puck and that, combined with his "I'm definitely the best player here", can be a dangerous mix in a young player.

I'd love him on my team if he's anywhere close to being as good as he thinks he is.  And I'd want him nowhere near my team if he's not.

And just so we are clear. 

Kadri, who in no way makes these statements, is actually a guy who passes quite well and did not make statements like this in junior hockey = selfish, me-first and a locker-room cancer

Ho-Sang, who declares himself better than everyone else is just a guy being slighted by the NHL conformists. 

Pass.  Pass.  Pass.  100% Pass. 

Max Domi coming of a 39G 48A 87P season and was a 1st round draft pick (12th overall) didn't get an invite to the Team Canada selection camp.  So boo fricking hoo that he wasn't at the selection camp. 

The guy has a major attitude problem.  It's great to have confidence in yourself but he seems to be living a fantasy world.  He's also 18 so he has plenty of time to mature and the talent is there.  I don't think I would blow the 8th overall pick on him though.  If the Leafs found a way to get a 2nd 1st round pick in the 10-20 range, sure, I'd jump at that kind of talent, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket. 

 

[Tigger]

I don't think I would blow the 8th overall pick on him though.  If the Leafs found a way to get a 2nd 1st round pick in the 10-20 range, sure, I'd jump at that kind of talent, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket.

For sure, the kid can flat out play but has an attitude, if he was available with another pick, like you say, grab him.