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Game 18 - Yotes @ Leafs - 11-15 - 7PM SportsNet

harps64 said:
Bender said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Bender said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Let's cut to the chase here.  Argue all you want to about whether this or that piece of crap is Wilson's fault.  The fact is that the team hasn't gotten it done, and he's been here more than 3 years.  At some point you gas the coach.  Burke should have done it last year but he's letting friendship get in the way of a decision that any other franchise would have made long ago.  End of story.
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Before or after you give him a decent goaltender? If we had Nicklas Backstrom or Pekka Rinne we wouldn't even be talking about canning Wilson.
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Most coaches in the league can craft a defensive scheme that accounts for less-that-elite goaltending.    He hasn't done it.  And, just in case you have forgotten, he never got it done in SJ with far better goaltending than he got here.

In this league if you don't win, you're gone.  It's well past time to try a different coach.

Let me put the onus on you: What's the downside to firing Wilson?
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So how many current coaches have won the cup? Off the top of my head: Mike Babcock, Randy Carlyle, Claude Julien, Joel Quenneville. Any more to add out of a 30 team league?

I'm not saying firing Wilson is a horrible idea. I don't really care for him as a coach. My point is that firing Wilson, imo, will not alleviate the Leafs problems. The goaltending issues will still be there until we get a proper No. 1 in place. The systems are irrelevant when your goalies are scored on on non-scoring chances.

Like I said: Quinn had Belfour and Cujo bail the team out. Burns had Potvin. Every good team has a good goaltender, not vice-versa, at least IMO, unless you want to play the trap like Tampa did.

The Leafs will still have just as many problems without Wilson as they did with Wilson, new systems or not. Maybe it'll kick start the PK% but I think better goaltending will take care of that. The PP needs work and I don't have an answer for that, but I don't know if Wilson is even headmanning that.
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No one is talking about winning the cup, getting into the post season or fighting for a top 8 spot would be a step in the right direction.
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The reference to SJ is a reference to Wilson not winning the Cup in SJ.

We're above top 8 right now, even with garbage goaltending.
 
Bullfrog said:
Hey, we got a goal by a defenseman; fancy that.

Gardiner's really not playing great. he's made a lot of passes that miss by 2 to 3 feet.
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I think he's starting to really press as the season starts to grind for him.  I still think he might be better served in the AHL right now.  He's not awful, but I would like to see him work on balancing his offensive game and defensive play.


Argggh, beautiful chance by Bozak and he misses the net.  I really think Gunnarsson is our best defenseman.
 
So did we split the D because Tippet's system is much better than Wilson's or are we finally not listening to Wilson's systems?
 
Seems a little quieter now after the vitriol from the first two periods. :)

Nothing like a couple of goals to calm the nerves a bit.
 
Bender said:
harps64 said:
Bender said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Bender said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Let's cut to the chase here.  Argue all you want to about whether this or that piece of crap is Wilson's fault.  The fact is that the team hasn't gotten it done, and he's been here more than 3 years.  At some point you gas the coach.  Burke should have done it last year but he's letting friendship get in the way of a decision that any other franchise would have made long ago.  End of story.
Click to expand...

Before or after you give him a decent goaltender? If we had Nicklas Backstrom or Pekka Rinne we wouldn't even be talking about canning Wilson.
Click to expand...

Most coaches in the league can craft a defensive scheme that accounts for less-that-elite goaltending.    He hasn't done it.  And, just in case you have forgotten, he never got it done in SJ with far better goaltending than he got here.

In this league if you don't win, you're gone.  It's well past time to try a different coach.

Let me put the onus on you: What's the downside to firing Wilson?
Click to expand...

So how many current coaches have won the cup? Off the top of my head: Mike Babcock, Randy Carlyle, Claude Julien, Joel Quenneville. Any more to add out of a 30 team league?

I'm not saying firing Wilson is a horrible idea. I don't really care for him as a coach. My point is that firing Wilson, imo, will not alleviate the Leafs problems. The goaltending issues will still be there until we get a proper No. 1 in place. The systems are irrelevant when your goalies are scored on on non-scoring chances.

Like I said: Quinn had Belfour and Cujo bail the team out. Burns had Potvin. Every good team has a good goaltender, not vice-versa, at least IMO, unless you want to play the trap like Tampa did.

The Leafs will still have just as many problems without Wilson as they did with Wilson, new systems or not. Maybe it'll kick start the PK% but I think better goaltending will take care of that. The PP needs work and I don't have an answer for that, but I don't know if Wilson is even headmanning that.
Click to expand...

No one is talking about winning the cup, getting into the post season or fighting for a top 8 spot would be a step in the right direction.
Click to expand...

The reference to SJ is a reference to Wilson not winning the Cup in SJ.

We're above top 8 right now, even with garbage goaltending.
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Give the man an extension
 
I would stand around and give the Coyotes point blank shots on Scrivens in OT.  Seems like a good strategy to win the game.

Scrivens has looked great in the last 5 minutes of the 3rd/OT so far (that's all of the game I have seen).
 
Bullfrog said:
Just as the game's getting interesting...wife hits record and I'm now watching Mike and Molly on PVR.

:-\ see ya later.
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Tell her about the big sale at the mall across town!
;)
 
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