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Game of Thrones (S6)

CarltonTheBear said:
It was basically the most predictable episode ever, but I still really enjoyed it. The whole episode was just shot terrifically well. Sansa's one bad-ass witch.

Don't mess with the Sansa, wonder what littlefinger cost?
 
Most of the developments were pretty well telegraphed but it was certainly a well made episode.

Although Rickon, man, serpentine.
 
More than anything, this season has not been subtle and fans have probably given the show too much credit in certain aspects of the plot.

Shaggy Dog head, probably a ploy to curry favour for sneak attack? Nope, actually Shaggy Dog.
Arya stabbed; probably Ja'qen fulfilling his promise? Nope, it was just Arya.
Jaime and Brienne make eyes with heartfelt conversation; Bronn: "I wonder when they'll get a room."
Smalljon Umber with a secret plan because he didn't bend the knee to Ramsay? Nope, Smalljon is just a turd.
 
herman said:
More than anything, this season has not been subtle and fans have probably given the show too much credit in certain aspects of the plot.

Shaggy Dog head, probably a ploy to curry favour for sneak attack? Nope, actually Shaggy Dog.
Arya stabbed; probably Ja'qen fulfilling his promise? Nope, it was just Arya.
Jaime and Brienne make eyes with heartfelt conversation; Bronn: "I wonder when they'll get a room."
Smalljon Umber with a secret plan because he didn't bend the knee to Ramsay? Nope, Smalljon is just a turd.

Though, to be fair, in a lot of those cases, I feel like a lot of the areas where fans were giving the show too much credit were also cases of the fans forgetting what show they were watching. It's Game of Thrones. When bad things happen, they're generally just straight up bad things. When good things happen, they generally lead to bad things. Always expect the worst. Always.
 
bustaheims said:
herman said:
More than anything, this season has not been subtle and fans have probably given the show too much credit in certain aspects of the plot.

Shaggy Dog head, probably a ploy to curry favour for sneak attack? Nope, actually Shaggy Dog.
Arya stabbed; probably Ja'qen fulfilling his promise? Nope, it was just Arya.
Jaime and Brienne make eyes with heartfelt conversation; Bronn: "I wonder when they'll get a room."
Smalljon Umber with a secret plan because he didn't bend the knee to Ramsay? Nope, Smalljon is just a turd.

Though, to be fair, in a lot of those cases, I feel like a lot of the areas where fans were giving the show too much credit were also cases of the fans forgetting what show they were watching. It's Game of Thrones. When bad things happen, they're generally just straight up bad things. When good things happen, they generally lead to bad things. Always expect the worst. Always.

I think that is fair.

Here's where I expected more from GoT:
- Arya loafing about Braavos wistfully looking into the distance knowing that a death cult of face-changing assassins wanted her dead. That's weird. Her storyline was the one primed to go semi-mystical. Thematically, it yielded that tender motherly moment between Lady Crane and Arya where a lot of her physical and emotional wounds were healed (by a Cersei-actor no less), but that was promptly dropped onto an overturned stool.
- Umbers trying to get on Ramsay's good side; of all the Houses of the North, they were the most loyal to the Starks. Glovers and Karstarks I understand. The Umbers? Who knew a Stark-heir existed and had him in their hospitality? Would've been a heavier reveal at the pre-cursor of the battle, rather than telegraphed 3 episodes out and then spelled out by Sansa.
- Dorne. What a waste.

There are probably more, but I have liked this season more than the previous.

Things I have really enjoyed this season:
- Davos: he started super boring; he is now the most reasonable person alive in Wessteros
- Bronn and Pod
- Sandor literally pissing on the LSH possibility
- Tyrion's statecraft
- Jon dressing like Ned
- Sansa's rise to badassery
- Hodor
 
bustaheims said:
Ha. I basically forgot Dorne existed. Nothing has happened with that storyline since, what, the 2nd episode?

Episode 1, I believe.

However, Yara and Theon zipped past them (off screen) when they sailed around the entire continent from the Iron Isles to Volantis. And then covered a similar distance to reach Meereen through a coastal siege and dragonfire.
 
herman said:
Episode 1, I believe.

However, Yara and Theon zipped past them (off screen) when they sailed around the entire continent from the Iron Isles to Volantis. And then covered a similar distance to reach Meereen through a coastal siege and dragonfire.

I'm guessing that the Dorne stuff will come into play again next season, what with the whole "women being in charge" thing seeming like it's going to be a major theme.
 
So here's something I didn't entirely understand. Were we supposed to think that Littlefinger's Army only showed up when they did? Or that they were waiting for the right moment to strike? Because if it's the former it's kind of dicey for Sansa not to tell people she'd asked for help from him(although I guess it works dramatically even if it's a bit deus ex machina-y) but if it's the latter I guess it falls back into the idea of everyone being exactly as capable as they're needed to be from moment to moment given the purposes of the show. Ramsay was more or less Batman when dealing with Stannis' army but dopey as the Freys from an episode ago if he let an army of that size sneak up on him.
 
bustaheims said:
I'm guessing that the Dorne stuff will come into play again next season, what with the whole "women being in charge" thing seeming like it's going to be a major theme.

They probably make an appearance in the finale to remind everyone they still exist.
 
Nik the Trik said:
So here's something I didn't entirely understand. Were we supposed to think that Littlefinger's Army only showed up when they did? Or that they were waiting for the right moment to strike? Because if it's the former it's kind of dicey for Sansa not to tell people she'd asked for help from him(although I guess it works dramatically even if it's a bit deus ex machina-y) but if it's the latter I guess it falls back into the idea of everyone being exactly as capable as they're needed to be from moment to moment given the purposes of the show. Ramsay was more or less Batman when dealing with Stannis' army but dopey as the Freys from an episode ago if he let an army of that size sneak up on him.

I'm guessing it was the former. They likely showed up where Jon's army was stationed, met up with Sansa there and they rode out together to the battlefield. Why Sansa never mentioned anything to Jon about it is still up in the air. I'm guessing maybe she wasn't very confident that Littlefinger would come through, or she felt that Jon wouldn't trust him. I don't really think Jon's aware of all the sketchy stuff Littlefinger's done though so I'm not sure about that.

Really though, I think they just felt it would make better (albeit like I said extremely predictable) television.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
 
Really though, I think they just felt it would make better (albeit like I said extremely predictable) television.

Well, not so much predictable as the exact same thing they did for the Blackwater episode.
 
bustaheims said:
herman said:
Episode 1, I believe.

However, Yara and Theon zipped past them (off screen) when they sailed around the entire continent from the Iron Isles to Volantis. And then covered a similar distance to reach Meereen through a coastal siege and dragonfire.

I'm guessing that the Dorne stuff will come into play again next season, what with the whole "women being in charge" thing seeming like it's going to be a major theme.

Yeah, Westeros is being primed for Daenerys.

CarltonTheBear said:
Nik the Trik said:
So here's something I didn't entirely understand. Were we supposed to think that Littlefinger's Army only showed up when they did? Or that they were waiting for the right moment to strike? Because if it's the former it's kind of dicey for Sansa not to tell people she'd asked for help from him(although I guess it works dramatically even if it's a bit deus ex machina-y) but if it's the latter I guess it falls back into the idea of everyone being exactly as capable as they're needed to be from moment to moment given the purposes of the show. Ramsay was more or less Batman when dealing with Stannis' army but dopey as the Freys from an episode ago if he let an army of that size sneak up on him.

I'm guessing it was the former. They likely showed up where Jon's army was stationed, met up with Sansa there and they rode out together to the battlefield. Why Sansa never mentioned anything to Jon about it is still up in the air. I'm guessing maybe she wasn't very confident that Littlefinger would come through, or she felt that Jon wouldn't trust him. I don't really think Jon's aware of all the sketchy stuff Littlefinger's done though so I'm not sure about that.

Really though, I think they just felt it would make better (albeit like I said extremely predictable) television.

It's Gandalf at Helm's Deep. But more pervy.

I think Sansa didn't tell Jon because she didn't know if Littlefinger would actually show up. Jon also has that Starkian disdain for maneuvers (both political and tactical).

Tactically, that was the perfect time for a flanking attack by a hidden army, and I wouldn't be surprised if Littlefinger had a say in when to strike; any earlier and there would be more attrition with just as much guarantee of saving the vanguard/all of Jon's army.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Nik the Trik said:
Although Rickon, man, serpentine.

He clearly went to the Prometheus School of Running Away from Things.

At least zig-zag a little... but he was going to get hit by that arrow.

I'm curious what happens at Winterfell now that the Starks are back home. I assume Arya will make her way back there.

 
I predicted dragon fire would rain down on that fleet.

Ramsay, met a fitting end and in a LOTR fashion predictably came the knights of the Vale, with Sansa in the Gandalf role, Jon subbing for Aragorn.

It only took six seasons for the right sides to start winning. WOMAN POWER!
 
herman said:
bustaheims said:
herman said:
Episode 1, I believe.

However, Yara and Theon zipped past them (off screen) when they sailed around the entire continent from the Iron Isles to Volantis. And then covered a similar distance to reach Meereen through a coastal siege and dragonfire.

I'm guessing that the Dorne stuff will come into play again next season, what with the whole "women being in charge" thing seeming like it's going to be a major theme.

Yeah, Westeros is being primed for Daenerys.

CarltonTheBear said:
Nik the Trik said:
So here's something I didn't entirely understand. Were we supposed to think that Littlefinger's Army only showed up when they did? Or that they were waiting for the right moment to strike? Because if it's the former it's kind of dicey for Sansa not to tell people she'd asked for help from him(although I guess it works dramatically even if it's a bit deus ex machina-y) but if it's the latter I guess it falls back into the idea of everyone being exactly as capable as they're needed to be from moment to moment given the purposes of the show. Ramsay was more or less Batman when dealing with Stannis' army but dopey as the Freys from an episode ago if he let an army of that size sneak up on him.

I'm guessing it was the former. They likely showed up where Jon's army was stationed, met up with Sansa there and they rode out together to the battlefield. Why Sansa never mentioned anything to Jon about it is still up in the air. I'm guessing maybe she wasn't very confident that Littlefinger would come through, or she felt that Jon wouldn't trust him. I don't really think Jon's aware of all the sketchy stuff Littlefinger's done though so I'm not sure about that.

Really though, I think they just felt it would make better (albeit like I said extremely predictable) television.

It's Gandalf at Helm's Deep. But more pervy.

I think Sansa didn't tell Jon because she didn't know if Littlefinger would actually show up. Jon also has that Starkian disdain for maneuvers (both political and tactical).

Tactically, that was the perfect time for a flanking attack by a hidden army, and I wouldn't be surprised if Littlefinger had a say in when to strike; any earlier and there would be more attrition with just as much guarantee of saving the vanguard/all of Jon's army.

LOL, I just basically said the exact same thing.  Good call.  :)
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm guessing it was the former. They likely showed up where Jon's army was stationed, met up with Sansa there and they rode out together to the battlefield. Why Sansa never mentioned anything to Jon about it is still up in the air. I'm guessing maybe she wasn't very confident that Littlefinger would come through, or she felt that Jon wouldn't trust him. I don't really think Jon's aware of all the sketchy stuff Littlefinger's done though so I'm not sure about that.

Really though, I think they just felt it would make better (albeit like I said extremely predictable) television.

As Tigger kind of alluded to, I think it's a matter of the cost. She could be ashamed of the cost.
 

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