Islanders @ Leafs - Jan. 7th, 7:00pm - TSN, SN 590

[TML fan]

People I blame for this inevitable loss:  Kadri, Reimer, Gardiner, Rielly, Holland

You forgot Grabovski.

Are you referring to the same Mikhail Grabovski who has 30 points in 40 games this year and, according to James Mirtle, some of the highest puck possession numbers and Corsi scores in NHL history?

I'm much more in favour of Carlyle's "give the other team the puck and hope we win" strategy.

 

[Jeremiad]

Oh, they're out there.

No, they're really not. Not a single person here is happy that Bernier played poorly tonight. Not a single person was particularly vocal about Bernier starting when he was playing well. What you're seeing is people calling for equal treatment of the two goalies. When Reimer plays poorly and gets pulled, Bernier starts the next game. When Bernier played poorly and got pulled . . . Bernier started the next game, and, well, played even more poorly.

As for Bernier's "superior technical ability" . . . well, it certainly hasn't translated to much more success - if any. Reimer has a better winning % and a very similar Sv%.

Amen and amen to that.

 

[Sanecow]

Tipped by Phaneuf on the way in there

Oh yeah. Phaneuf may have touched it while the puck was still one kilometre away from our goal. That explains everything.

Actually it explains a lot. A puck tipped like that has a tendency to knuckle and move on a completely different trajectory than a normal shot.

I don't really blame Bernier for the Leafs sucking so bad.

I think either goalie would be perfectly adequate on a team that gave up a less embarrassing number of shots. Flip flopping on the starting goalie's not going to change much. However, Bernier has had his share of brainfarts recently, notably the dropped outfield catch in the winter classic and tonight's Three Stooges routine.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Oh, they're out there.

No, they're really not. Not a single person here is happy that Bernier played poorly tonight. Not a single person was particularly vocal about Bernier starting when he was playing well. What you're seeing is people calling for equal treatment of the two goalies. When Reimer plays poorly and gets pulled, Bernier starts the next game. When Bernier played poorly and got pulled . . . Bernier started the next game, and, well, played even more poorly.

As for Bernier's "superior technical ability" . . . well, it certainly hasn't translated to much more success - if any. Reimer has a better winning % and a very similar Sv%.

^^^^^

Or this. What I wanted to say but didn't have the eloquence due to a few to many beers.

Busta is bang on.

 

[ZBBM]

I, for one, am getting tired of watching Kessel's limited repertoire.

 

[2badknees]

I miss Gary Roberts. And Tucker, and even Domi. Yeah, I said it.

 

[Andy007]

I don't get this. The Islanders are up by two goals and still playing in the offensive zone? Passing the puck and making attempts on the opposing net? What is this vile trickery at play here? You're supposed to load up your players on your own blue line and let the other team shoot for 15 minutes straight.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I, for one, am getting tired of watching Kessel's limited repertoire.

Variation of this every 5 games.

 

[moon111]

I think one thing a coach really needs to do is orchestrate the tempo of the game.  Right now, no energy.  Now one way you can do it is send your goon out to beat their goon.  But another way is to get someone like Kadri or Gardiner and let them lose.  Why can't they just say on the bench, everyone watch out, if he gets the puck Gardiner is going for a Bobby Orr rush.  It is unpredictable, puts the opposition on their heels, and raises the excitement and energy level.  Feels the team needs offense and Carlyle is holding them back.

 

[Kessel Run]

Keep throwing McClement out there over Holland. He's bound to score.

 

[Mot the Barber]

I really believe there are many who are thrilled with that goal. Some have been against Bernier taking Reimer's job from the start because, hey, Reimer's such an "aw shucks" nice guy, nevermind Reimer's role in last year's collapse and Bernier's superior technical abilities (Bad timing for that one aside...).

Bernier goes on a stretch of three or four great games, and all you hear is complaining that Reimer didn't get a fair shake.

At this point I hope they just give the job to Reimer now and trade Bernier so we can talk about something else.

Like how Carlyle is dumb, perhaps.

Well you know he was kind of bad last game (so was the whole team but still), and the fair thing to do for two goalies who've both had good stats would be to alternate.

If they lose tonight, the loss is completely on Bernier IMO (3 bad goals). If Reimer plays badly then, by all means go back to Bernier, but Reimer did get the team to the playoffs last year and he's put up pretty good numbers this year.

Not sure why Bernier should get special treatment after 2 bad games (or why you'd be against going back to Reimer). Superior technical abilities have not been evident over the last 5 periods games.

It's as I said earlier in the season, by employing a revolving door goaltender system, neither goalie can get into a groove and have the confidence knowing they have the starting role.

Instead you have both goalies more worried about looking over their shoulder than stopping the puck.  And it's only going to get worse as the team further unravels.

Carlyle is a terrible coach and his mishandling of the goaltenders is yet another glaring example.

 

[L K]

Playing a team on the 2nd of back-to-backs after getting a "wake up call" beatdown.  Getting outscored 2-0 in the 3rd.  Getting outshot 4-3 with <5 minutes left. 

Something needs to happen.  Either give up on the year, blow up the team or fire the coach.  This is embarrassing.

 

[Bates]

Me too but those guys would be suspended in every second game they played in the current NHL.

I miss Gary Roberts. And Tucker, and even Domi. Yeah, I said it.

 

[2badknees]

They should order 3 more Gleasons from the Gleason liquidation center.

 

[Jeremiad]

People I blame for this inevitable loss:  Kadri, Reimer, Gardiner, Rielly, Holland

You forgot Grabovski.

Are you referring to the same Mikhail Grabovski who has 30 points in 40 games this year and, according to James Mirtle, some of the highest puck possession numbers and Corsi scores in NHL history?

No the one who SUCKS

Yeah, I can accept that. Truth be told, my mind goes blank when people start talking Corsi etc. And I made up those statistical references in an effort to numb my pain at the prospect of this loss.

 

[azzurri63]

I, for one, am getting tired of watching Kessel's limited repertoire.

Ya myself as well and I think the reason for that is his reluctance to go into the dirty areas. I know he's not a big guy but definitely not a strength of his and also hurts us defensively because of that.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Hire Ron Wilson!

Someone start the thread.

 

[Mot the Barber]

I miss Gary Roberts. And Tucker, and even Domi. Yeah, I said it.

Of course you do.  That's because they were NHLers with personality and a passion for the Leafs.  Even when they lost, they did not go down easy.

 

[Arn]

Guys. We scored.

 

[Bonsixx]

Playing a team on the 2nd of back-to-backs after getting a "wake up call" beatdown.  Getting outscored 2-0 in the 3rd.  Getting outshot 4-3 with <5 minutes left. 

Something needs to happen.  Either give up on the year, blow up the team or fire the coach.  This is embarrassing.

Uh ... they're in a playoff spot.