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Ditto, I think he was suffering from burn out, he is a family man, but he lived for the Leafs. Back to the dinosaur era.CarltonTheBear said:herman said:Am I sad or mad?
I'd be sad if this was Kyle's decision. Mad if it was Toronto's.
CarltonTheBear said:Eric Tulsky or a Gillis/Gilman reunion.
Deebo said:CarltonTheBear said:Eric Tulsky or a Gillis/Gilman reunion.
Who is Gillis?
princedpw said:There are a lot GMs, a lot of trades, and free agent signings where I think "wow, that's terrible." Very few of Kyle's transactions are in that group. Most of the time, at the time of the move, it looks pretty reasonable to me.
In the long sample sizes we get in the regular season, he looks pretty good.
In the short sample sizes of the playoffs, the leafs have failed. However, ahead of those series, people don't usually say "I think the Leafs will lose this series because their GM has done a poor job building the team."
I can really only come up with two reasons the leafs have lost so often: (1) luck, (2) some hidden variable I can't put my finger on (this is indistinguishable from luck from my vantagepoint but perhaps not from someone else's who is smarter).
That's a really roundabout way of saying that I can pick out many GMs who I think are worse than Kyle but I can't pick out any that I think are clearly more likely to succeed. I hope such GMs are out there and that Shanahan picks well. Or simply that the leafs get lucky.
I would have preferred to have fired Keefe. He has more direct control over the outcomes.
Bender said:princedpw said:There are a lot GMs, a lot of trades, and free agent signings where I think "wow, that's terrible." Very few of Kyle's transactions are in that group. Most of the time, at the time of the move, it looks pretty reasonable to me.
In the long sample sizes we get in the regular season, he looks pretty good.
In the short sample sizes of the playoffs, the leafs have failed. However, ahead of those series, people don't usually say "I think the Leafs will lose this series because their GM has done a poor job building the team."
I can really only come up with two reasons the leafs have lost so often: (1) luck, (2) some hidden variable I can't put my finger on (this is indistinguishable from luck from my vantagepoint but perhaps not from someone else's who is smarter).
That's a really roundabout way of saying that I can pick out many GMs who I think are worse than Kyle but I can't pick out any that I think are clearly more likely to succeed. I hope such GMs are out there and that Shanahan picks well. Or simply that the leafs get lucky.
I would have preferred to have fired Keefe. He has more direct control over the outcomes.
Who's to say he would've fired Keefe? Isn't he the only coach he's ever had? Red flag.
CarltonTheBear said:We'll have a new GM next season, almost certainly a new coach, and possibly see a member of the core 4 dealt. Times are changing. All cause the team didn't show up to game 3.
Rob said:Bender said:princedpw said:There are a lot GMs, a lot of trades, and free agent signings where I think "wow, that's terrible." Very few of Kyle's transactions are in that group. Most of the time, at the time of the move, it looks pretty reasonable to me.
In the long sample sizes we get in the regular season, he looks pretty good.
In the short sample sizes of the playoffs, the leafs have failed. However, ahead of those series, people don't usually say "I think the Leafs will lose this series because their GM has done a poor job building the team."
I can really only come up with two reasons the leafs have lost so often: (1) luck, (2) some hidden variable I can't put my finger on (this is indistinguishable from luck from my vantagepoint but perhaps not from someone else's who is smarter).
That's a really roundabout way of saying that I can pick out many GMs who I think are worse than Kyle but I can't pick out any that I think are clearly more likely to succeed. I hope such GMs are out there and that Shanahan picks well. Or simply that the leafs get lucky.
I would have preferred to have fired Keefe. He has more direct control over the outcomes.
Who's to say he would've fired Keefe? Isn't he the only coach he's ever had? Red flag.
Which could very well be the hill that Dubas' Leafs GM career died on.
I thought Kyle Dubas did an ok job. At the end of the day this team is part of a multi-billion dollar conglomeration that is interested in winning. We have heard different players say that everything is the best of the best in Toronto, all trappings and luxuries are taken to the next level. MLSE is doing that to win, not just to make sure the players are not mad the toilet paper is too scratchy.
azzurri63 said:CarltonTheBear said:We'll have a new GM next season, almost certainly a new coach, and possibly see a member of the core 4 dealt. Times are changing. All cause the team didn't show up to game 3.
And rightfully so. Liked Kyle but mismanaged the core right from the start and unfortunately tried to fill in holes with other teams cast offs. Plus some deadline deals that wasted some picks which we have been thin on last few years. I understand that though gotta do what you think would put you over the top. Players are more to blame especially this year with the additions we got they should have had a better run. First change and hopefully more.
Zee said:azzurri63 said:CarltonTheBear said:We'll have a new GM next season, almost certainly a new coach, and possibly see a member of the core 4 dealt. Times are changing. All cause the team didn't show up to game 3.
And rightfully so. Liked Kyle but mismanaged the core right from the start and unfortunately tried to fill in holes with other teams cast offs. Plus some deadline deals that wasted some picks which we have been thin on last few years. I understand that though gotta do what you think would put you over the top. Players are more to blame especially this year with the additions we got they should have had a better run. First change and hopefully more.
Careful what you wish for. We've been down the road of regime changes in the past and they never work out. If they bring in the polar opposite of Dubas you'll be trading skill for toughness, welcome back 80s Leafs.
Nik said:Even a rumour like that..you wonder what sort of autonomy he had. Like, could he have chosen to slow things down? Or not buy heavy at the deadline?
Bender said:I mean, didn't you find it odd in the all or nothing doc the way he had to ask permission to trade the first from Shanny?