Leafs @ Devils - Mar. 23rd, 7:00pm - LeafsTV, TSN 1050

[crazyperfectdevil]

I haven't been one to knock Carlyle on every decision he makes, but Reimer should have been pulled after goal #1. We may have gotten a pt or two tonight.

i wouldn't have started him..but since he did..after two would have been my threshold ..3 is a joke..you spot the other team 3 goal lead ..in their own building ..when you're playing back to back ..i think that's stupid

 

[Redleaf]

good luck coming back against the devils my leafs.

reimer, thanks for spotting the other team a 2+ goal lead again. soft goals.

Yeah, because that was all Reimer, not the guys allowing 2 on 1's and breakaways like they are going out of style.

Last time Bernier started?  2-0 after the 1st.

Montreal: had a two goal lead before the 10 min mark of 1st period. Lost 4-3
Tampa: had a goal one minute in from puck drop. Lost 5-3
Detroit: had a goal by 12 minute mark of first. Lost 3-2
Washington: had three goals before the 10 min mark of the 1st period. 4-2

today: spotted a nice three goal lead to the Devils.

Yes so?  This isn't a new thing.  Leafs have only had a lead after the 1st period 17 times in 73 games, and have been down after the 1st 31 times in 73 games.

So it's just a coincidence our longest loosing streak is with Reimer starting in net at the most crucial time?

Yes.  Why is that so difficult to grasp?  Bernier lost 6 of 7 games in December.  Why is it so hard to just accept that some things are coincidence and not some fantastic narrative?

Well, as they say, the proofs in the pudding. Let's see what happens when Bernier returns. If he returns.

The problem is that this wouldn't prove that Bernier would have done any better in these games because it isn't a study of Reimer vs. Bernier in a controlled environment.  It's a completely new scenario.  Bernier could have played tonight and given up 12 goals, or he could have posted a shutout.

Oh sure, start with the excuses already.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

5) Kessel line plays for final three minutes of game and is dead tired in the last minute and a half but doesn't change.

Do you mean you expected them to go for a line change on the fly?

In the right circumstances? Sure. They have no business staying on for 90 seconds of two minute powerplays, and for three minute sequences at the end of the game. It doesn't do the team any good to have them out there unable to skate..

Carlyle put them back out after the goal and timeout.

I know, and rather than stay out for 40 seconds, they were out there the entire time, accomplishing nothing for the last 45 seconds or so. Anyway, it's not just that last minute. I think their shifts have generally been too long during this entire losing streak, particularly on the powerplay.

They were in the zone pretty much that entire time, so they're not going to be changing.  And if the coaches wanted them to change, they could've told them to.  I don't recall teams ever changing their lines in that scenario though without a whistle.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Detroit tied it of course

Dekes out Suter #bum #tradehim #noIQ

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

and yet..just like magic..no goals let in after reimer leaves the game....even if you don't put this on reimer . ..which okay..i get you ..fine ..defend him until the end of days...but sometimes you change the goalie to change the dynamic of the game ..and it did ...the leafs ended up getting back within one...but Carlyle didn't choose to do that ...he decided to change things after it was too late..and for what?  what was the benefit of letting reimer get scored on again?  so that he'll be chased out of town by rabid leaf fans?  because it sure as hell wasn't to win the game.

Or it could just be that the Devils went into the typical New Jersey defensive shell after they scored the 3rd goal. I mean, it's not like the Leafs were suddenly getting a lot of chances. The Devils still controlled the puck, they just stopped pressing the issue, because that's how the Devils have played for 20 years now.

well clearly we disagree...which is fine ..  it's just too bad that our season ends like this..twice in the span of 3 years...

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

and yet..just like magic..no goals let in after reimer leaves the game....even if you don't put this on reimer . ..which okay..i get you ..fine ..defend him until the end of days...but sometimes you change the goalie to change the dynamic of the game ..and it did ...the leafs ended up getting back within one...but Carlyle didn't choose to do that ...he decided to change things after it was too late..and for what?  what was the benefit of letting reimer get scored on again?  so that he'll be chased out of town by rabid leaf fans?  because it sure as hell wasn't to win the game.

Or it could just be that the Devils went into the typical New Jersey defensive shell after they scored the 3rd goal. I mean, it's not like the Leafs were suddenly getting a lot of chances. The Devils still controlled the puck, they just stopped pressing the issue, because that's how the Devils have played for 20 years now.

well clearly we disagree...which is fine ..  it's just too bad that our season ends like this..twice in the span of 3 years...

What's amazing is that in 11-12 the fans were yelling for Wilson to be fired, yet this time it seems like the fan's are all against Reimer.  Doesn't make sense.

 

[Damian]

Simply put... whatever that travesty of a system Carlyle does or doesnt have? Well... its shite... aint working and imploding game after game....

 

[Zee]

Reimer fans are funny. When the Leafs were in freefall under Wilson it was "it's not Wilson, the goalies just suck". Leafs in free fall again and suddenly it's not the goalie cause Reimer is saintly.

 

[Strangelove]

and yet..just like magic..no goals let in after reimer leaves the game....even if you don't put this on reimer . ..which okay..i get you ..fine ..defend him until the end of days...but sometimes you change the goalie to change the dynamic of the game ..and it did ...the leafs ended up getting back within one...but Carlyle didn't choose to do that ...he decided to change things after it was too late..and for what?  what was the benefit of letting reimer get scored on again?  so that he'll be chased out of town by rabid leaf fans?  because it sure as hell wasn't to win the game.

Or it could just be that the Devils went into the typical New Jersey defensive shell after they scored the 3rd goal. I mean, it's not like the Leafs were suddenly getting a lot of chances. The Devils still controlled the puck, they just stopped pressing the issue, because that's how the Devils have played for 20 years now.

well clearly we disagree...which is fine ..  it's just too bad that our season ends like this..twice in the span of 3 years...

What's amazing is that in 11-12 the fans were yelling for Wilson to be fired, yet this time it seems like the fan's are all against Reimer.  Doesn't make sense.

Can't it be both? Randy doesn't have them dealing, but Reimer came in at a crucial time of year with something to prove and has lost something like 6 starts in a row, playing generally terribly. He absolutely deserves his fair share of the blame alongside Randy.

Of course, he'll tell everyone who'll listen that he "played pretty well" and his agent will accuse fans of having it out to get him. Poor, poor James Reimer.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I don't think I like watching hockey anymore.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

and yet..just like magic..no goals let in after reimer leaves the game....even if you don't put this on reimer . ..which okay..i get you ..fine ..defend him until the end of days...but sometimes you change the goalie to change the dynamic of the game ..and it did ...the leafs ended up getting back within one...but Carlyle didn't choose to do that ...he decided to change things after it was too late..and for what?  what was the benefit of letting reimer get scored on again?  so that he'll be chased out of town by rabid leaf fans?  because it sure as hell wasn't to win the game.

Or it could just be that the Devils went into the typical New Jersey defensive shell after they scored the 3rd goal. I mean, it's not like the Leafs were suddenly getting a lot of chances. The Devils still controlled the puck, they just stopped pressing the issue, because that's how the Devils have played for 20 years now.

well clearly we disagree...which is fine ..  it's just too bad that our season ends like this..twice in the span of 3 years...

What's amazing is that in 11-12 the fans were yelling for Wilson to be fired, yet this time it seems like the fan's are all against Reimer.  Doesn't make sense.

Don't get me wrong ..i fully hope and expect that if/when (ha ha ha ..if) the leafs don't make the playoffs this year..i fully expect carlyle to be gone the next day...

but reimer hasn't helped..at least i don't believe he has...maybe he is suffering from a concussion..and if that's the case..i feel for him..i like the guy..but i believe ..i really do..that if bernier had of been in ..we would have at least squeaked out some loser points here...and we could badly use them right about now

 

[mc]

just wondering how many wheels this truck has?

 

[Zee]

and yet..just like magic..no goals let in after reimer leaves the game....even if you don't put this on reimer . ..which okay..i get you ..fine ..defend him until the end of days...but sometimes you change the goalie to change the dynamic of the game ..and it did ...the leafs ended up getting back within one...but Carlyle didn't choose to do that ...he decided to change things after it was too late..and for what?  what was the benefit of letting reimer get scored on again?  so that he'll be chased out of town by rabid leaf fans?  because it sure as hell wasn't to win the game.

Or it could just be that the Devils went into the typical New Jersey defensive shell after they scored the 3rd goal. I mean, it's not like the Leafs were suddenly getting a lot of chances. The Devils still controlled the puck, they just stopped pressing the issue, because that's how the Devils have played for 20 years now.

well clearly we disagree...which is fine ..  it's just too bad that our season ends like this..twice in the span of 3 years...

What's amazing is that in 11-12 the fans were yelling for Wilson to be fired, yet this time it seems like the fan's are all against Reimer.  Doesn't make sense.

Can't it be both? Randy doesn't have them dealing, but Reimer came in at a crucial time of year with something to prove and has lost something like 6 starts in a row, playing generally terribly. He absolutely deserves his fair share of the blame alongside Randy.

Of course, he'll tell everyone who'll listen that he "played pretty well" and his agent will accuse fans of having it out to get him. Poor, poor James Reimer.

Bingo. Part blame on Carlyle, part blame on Reimer. He gives up far too many soft goals. Someone buy him a glove hand.

 

[Damian]

Bingo. Part blame on Carlyle, part blame on Reimer. He gives up far too many soft goals. Someone buy him a glove hand.

Sadly, hes never ever had one, but made it this far.... think about that

 

[L K]

I don't think I like watching hockey anymore.

Is that what the Leafs are playing?  I thought we were just watching them practice defensive zone coverage all night.

 

[Capn_Crunch]

good luck coming back against the devils my leafs.

reimer, thanks for spotting the other team a 2+ goal lead again. soft goals.

Yeah, because that was all Reimer, not the guys allowing 2 on 1's and breakaways like they are going out of style.

Last time Bernier started?  2-0 after the 1st.

Montreal: had a two goal lead before the 10 min mark of 1st period. Lost 4-3
Tampa: had a goal one minute in from puck drop. Lost 5-3
Detroit: had a goal by 12 minute mark of first. Lost 3-2
Washington: had three goals before the 10 min mark of the 1st period. 4-2

today: spotted a nice three goal lead to the Devils.

Yes so?  This isn't a new thing.  Leafs have only had a lead after the 1st period 17 times in 73 games, and have been down after the 1st 31 times in 73 games.

So it's just a coincidence our longest loosing streak is with Reimer starting in net at the most crucial time?

Yeah. It's no coincidence.

No.  You are right.  The Leafs are awesome and this is all on Reimer.

Um what is reimers record over his last 20 starts... something like 4 wins if I remember right. Yeah that's all the teams fault..... Fact remains he folds under pressure and gives up softies like he gets paid from the other team. Horrible rebound control and then the team just doesn't seem to believe in him anymore whatsoever.  Personable interviews and a smile only goes so far...what has he done lately besides drive the effing truck right thru oncoming traffic like a blind man? Him and randy can split a ride to gtfo-land imho.

 

[Redleaf]

and yet..just like magic..no goals let in after reimer leaves the game....even if you don't put this on reimer . ..which okay..i get you ..fine ..defend him until the end of days...but sometimes you change the goalie to change the dynamic of the game ..and it did ...the leafs ended up getting back within one...but Carlyle didn't choose to do that ...he decided to change things after it was too late..and for what?  what was the benefit of letting reimer get scored on again?  so that he'll be chased out of town by rabid leaf fans?  because it sure as hell wasn't to win the game.

Or it could just be that the Devils went into the typical New Jersey defensive shell after they scored the 3rd goal. I mean, it's not like the Leafs were suddenly getting a lot of chances. The Devils still controlled the puck, they just stopped pressing the issue, because that's how the Devils have played for 20 years now.

well clearly we disagree...which is fine ..  it's just too bad that our season ends like this..twice in the span of 3 years...

What's amazing is that in 11-12 the fans were yelling for Wilson to be fired, yet this time it seems like the fan's are all against Reimer.  Doesn't make sense.

Don't get me wrong ..i fully hope and expect that if/when (ha ha ha ..if) the leafs don't make the playoffs this year..i fully expect carlyle to be gone the next day...

but reimer hasn't helped..at least i don't believe he has...maybe he is suffering from a concussion..and if that's the case..i feel for him..i like the guy..but i believe ..i really do..that if bernier had of been in ..we would have at least squeaked out some loser points here...and we could badly use them right about now

I dont think there's any question Bernier would have helped secure points during this 5 game stretch. And, I'm a fan of Reimer, always have been. He just appears to have completely lost his confidence. It happens. He'll recover. It just probably won't be with the Leafs.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

and yet..just like magic..no goals let in after reimer leaves the game....even if you don't put this on reimer . ..which okay..i get you ..fine ..defend him until the end of days...but sometimes you change the goalie to change the dynamic of the game ..and it did ...the leafs ended up getting back within one...but Carlyle didn't choose to do that ...he decided to change things after it was too late..and for what?  what was the benefit of letting reimer get scored on again?  so that he'll be chased out of town by rabid leaf fans?  because it sure as hell wasn't to win the game.

Or it could just be that the Devils went into the typical New Jersey defensive shell after they scored the 3rd goal. I mean, it's not like the Leafs were suddenly getting a lot of chances. The Devils still controlled the puck, they just stopped pressing the issue, because that's how the Devils have played for 20 years now.

well clearly we disagree...which is fine ..  it's just too bad that our season ends like this..twice in the span of 3 years...

What's amazing is that in 11-12 the fans were yelling for Wilson to be fired, yet this time it seems like the fan's are all against Reimer.  Doesn't make sense.

Can't it be both? Randy doesn't have them dealing, but Reimer came in at a crucial time of year with something to prove and has lost something like 6 starts in a row, playing generally terribly. He absolutely deserves his fair share of the blame alongside Randy.

Of course, he'll tell everyone who'll listen that he "played pretty well" and his agent will accuse fans of having it out to get him. Poor, poor James Reimer.

He said he thought he played well in one game.  I don't think Reimer's to blame, it's a tough situation having not played much in so long then expected to carry the team (because that's what Leafs goalies have to do) - 5 games is such a short stretch of time in the scheme of a goalie's minutes, I can't blame Reimer for how this season has turned out.  It's the team/coach's fault for having themselves in a position where a 5 game losing streak knocks them out of the playoffs.  Not on this one guy who hasn't played most of the season.

 

[Stronger Than All]

Detroit get a point and are going for another.

 

[mc]

Detroit Minny in overtime. So Detroit has at least one point.