Leafs Draft 21st Overall - Overall Draft Order

[TML fan]

With MacTavish looking to move Horcoff and Hemsky, I wonder if the Leafs could work out a trade package with the 21st pick and a player or 2 that the Oilers could use the 7th pick and for one of those 2 Oilers whom would be immediately bought out ?

Probably not. What do the Leafs have that makes Edmonton better tomorrow?

 

[Deebo]

With MacTavish looking to move Horcoff and Hemsky, I wonder if the Leafs could work out a trade package with the 21st pick and a player or 2 that the Oilers could use the 7th pick and for one of those 2 Oilers whom would be immediately bought out ?

Horcoff is only due 7M over 2 years, less if he is bought out I don't see the Oilers moving a top 10 pick just for relatively small financial savings.

Hemsky is due 5.5 in 2013-14 and its his last year, I'm sure there are teams out there that would be willing to give up an asset and give him a chance.

 

[KoHo]

With MacTavish looking to move Horcoff and Hemsky, I wonder if the Leafs could work out a trade package with the 21st pick and a player or 2 that the Oilers could use the 7th pick and for one of those 2 Oilers whom would be immediately bought out ?

I don't think the Oilers would go for that. I'd think they want to get something of value back for those players, not move down 14 spots in the draft to have the Leafs take Horcoff/Hemsky off their hands. Whatever player the Leafs send back the other way would have to be pretty substantial, which in that case wouldn't make it worth it.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Leafs trade their first round pick for a proper defensemen to play with Phaneuf that we're severely lacking...

 

[bustaheims]

I would hope that if they like someone enough that they would  be aggressive and get him.

Like when the Devils gave up a 2nd (Jean-Francois Jacques) to move up to take Parise instead of Marc-Antoine Pouliot who was taken with their pick or when Ottawa gave up a 3rd (Taylor Beck) to move up to take Karlsson when Chet Pickard was taken with their pick.

YEah, that's my hope, as well. They're not going to move up just for the sake of moving up,but, if there's someone on the board somewhere around the 15th pick or so that they really like, they should do what ever they can (within reason) to get him.

 

[Corn Flake]

Horcoff is immovable at that price.  Hemsky likely as well given his injury problems.  I doubt the Oilers are going to spend the money to buy them out.

McTavish is already doing silly things by publicly speaking about moving on.

 

[Champ Kind]

There seems to be a lot of discussion about Bo Horvat from the London Knights being a possibility at #21.  Anyone know much about him?

I know it would be cool if he wore #34

I don't get it.  Why?

Bo Jackson wore #34

Sorry, I was reaching for something, anything, half-heartedly witty to say. 

 

[Champ Kind]

Cox wrote a piece yesterday about the Leafs moving up in the draft to take Sean Monahan.  And how would they do that, you ask?  Of course!  Jake Gardiner!

Beyond nutty.  IF, and that's a big IF, Gardiner is moved, it beter be, has to be, must be for a legitimate, bonafide young NHL blue chipper.  Not the reasonably high-percentage crapshoot that is the first round of the NHL draft.

Feschuk's article today is way, way worse.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[Corn Flake]

Cox wrote a piece yesterday about the Leafs moving up in the draft to take Sean Monahan.  And how would they do that, you ask?  Of course!  Jake Gardiner!

Beyond nutty.  IF, and that's a big IF, Gardiner is moved, it beter be, has to be, must be for a legitimate, bonafide young NHL blue chipper.  Not the reasonably high-percentage crapshoot that is the first round of the NHL draft.

Feschuk's article today is way, way worse.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

I saw excerpts of Feschuk's article where someone already tore it apart.  Honestly the media in this town constantly shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to having any sort of knowledge or credibility when it comes to hockey moves.

Article: "Trade Kessel!!!1"

*Nonis trades Kessel*

Next Article: "Leafs lack legit 1st line scoring option now that they have traded Kessel."

Article: "Draft is coming up. Leafs should trade best young player for a pick so they can draft this kid I just read about this morning."

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[Champ Kind]

Cox wrote a piece yesterday about the Leafs moving up in the draft to take Sean Monahan.  And how would they do that, you ask?  Of course!  Jake Gardiner!

Beyond nutty.  IF, and that's a big IF, Gardiner is moved, it beter be, has to be, must be for a legitimate, bonafide young NHL blue chipper.  Not the reasonably high-percentage crapshoot that is the first round of the NHL draft.

Feschuk's article today is way, way worse.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

I saw excerpts of Feschuk's article where someone already tore it apart.  Honestly the media in this town constantly shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to having any sort of knowledge or credibility when it comes to hockey moves.

Article: "Trade Kessel!!!1"

*Nonis trades Kessel*

Next Article: "Leafs lack legit 1st line scoring option now that they have traded Kessel."

Article: "Draft is coming up. Leafs should trade best young player for a pick so they can draft this kid I just read about this morning."

:

I'll openly admit I was incredulous: I didn't think Phil Kessel would ever become more than a scoring winger with big holes in other parts of his game.  But really, the last 25 games of the season - when it mattered most - Kessel emerged as a borderline Superstar and, with little doubt, one of the top 10-12 forwards in the league. 

My tune has changed.  Sign this guy to a max term deal, give him the $7M+ he deserves, and judisiously bring in as much talent as you can to compliment him (and a few others).  He's a cornerstone, entering the prime of his career, and continuing to show growth across his game.  He'll likely never be Pavel Datsyuk complete, but he should be the foundation of the team for the next 8 years.

 

[KoHo]

I was going to make a topic about Feschuk's article but decided I shouldn't give that hack the light of day. Ever since the Reimer concussion fiasco happened Feschuk's become unreadable. He has an undying hatred for the Leafs organization and I can't stand it. The guy's a freakin' maroon, like how many ridiculous articles can one guy write about how bad Phaneuf is? I can't stand that Feschuk guy.

Anyhow, here's a line from his article today:

"Tis the off-season for working harder and assembling champions."

How does he propose to assemble a champion? By trading away the team's best player. Ugh.

 

[Corn Flake]

"Tis the off-season for working harder and assembling champions."

How does he propose to assemble a champion? By trading away the team's best player. Ugh.

Pretty sure some magic beans are involved there somewhere.

His plan goes as follows:

1. Trade Kessel while he's hot, for picks and prospects or something
2. Draft good
3. Just go trade for all the best players out there. Get them. What's so hard?
4. ........
5. Win Stanley Cup

 

[Kin]

My goodness. It's like they've realized they can make a living writing articles that rile up Leafs fans.

 

[Corn Flake]

I'll openly admit I was incredulous: I didn't think Phil Kessel would ever become more than a scoring winger with big holes in other parts of his game.  But really, the last 25 games of the season - when it mattered most - Kessel emerged as a borderline Superstar and, with little doubt, one of the top 10-12 forwards in the league. 

My tune has changed.  Sign this guy to a max term deal, give him the $7M+ he deserves, and judisiously bring in as much talent as you can to compliment him (and a few others).  He's a cornerstone, entering the prime of his career, and continuing to show growth across his game.  He'll likely never be Pavel Datsyuk complete, but he should be the foundation of the team for the next 8 years.

He's been in the top six in scoring for two years in a row now.  He had an incredible playoff series and when comparing to other star level players in the post season, he did better than most.  I would agree he's not going to be a Datsyuk'ian level player but he's going to be just below that.  I still see him getting better defensively and with decision making in the offensive zone with age.  He's still really young too!

He sold me with his play vs. the Bruins.  I'd lock him up as long as possible and have no issue with $7 mil. 

Trade him while he's hot?  Unreal.  :

 

[Corn Flake]

My goodness. It's like they've realized they can make a living writing articles that rile up Leafs fans.

YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT!!!


wait...

 

[Champ Kind]

My goodness. It's like they've realized they can make a living writing articles that rile up Leafs fans.

And Rob Ford supporters

 

[Champ Kind]

He's been in the top six in scoring for two years in a row now.  He had an incredible playoff series and when comparing to other star level players in the post season, he did better than most.  I would agree he's not going to be a Datsyuk'ian level player but he's going to be just below that.  I still see him getting better defensively and with decision making in the offensive zone with age.  He's still really young too!

He sold me with his play vs. the Bruins.  I'd lock him up as long as possible and have no issue with $7 mil. 

Trade him while he's hot?  Unreal.  :

Respectfully, it'll take more than $7M.  I can't see Cory Perry's deal not being a template for any Kessel deal.

 

[bustaheims]

Respectfully, it'll take more than $7M.  I can't see Cory Perry's deal not being a template for any Kessel deal.

Well, Perry does have a Hart trophy, Richard trophy and a 50 goal season on his resume, which bumps him up a bit. Kessel probably comes in at around $7.5M per. Semin's deal will probably be the template the Leafs use, and they'll come in somewhere in the middle.

 

[ZBBM]

I'll openly admit I was incredulous: I didn't think Phil Kessel would ever become more than a scoring winger with big holes in other parts of his game.  But really, the last 25 games of the season - when it mattered most - Kessel emerged as a borderline Superstar and, with little doubt, one of the top 10-12 forwards in the league. 

My tune has changed.  Sign this guy to a max term deal, give him the $7M+ he deserves, and judisiously bring in as much talent as you can to compliment him (and a few others).  He's a cornerstone, entering the prime of his career, and continuing to show growth across his game.  He'll likely never be Pavel Datsyuk complete, but he should be the foundation of the team for the next 8 years.

He's been in the top six in scoring for two years in a row now.  He had an incredible playoff series and when comparing to other star level players in the post season, he did better than most.  I would agree he's not going to be a Datsyuk'ian level player but he's going to be just below that.  I still see him getting better defensively and with decision making in the offensive zone with age.  He's still really young too!

He sold me with his play vs. the Bruins.  I'd lock him up as long as possible and have no issue with $7 mil. 

Trade him while he's hot?  Unreal.  :

Well, if they are going to trade him, now's the perfect time.  Depending on the return, I wouldn't be against it.

Having said that, my attitude toward Kessel was yours taken to the 10th power.  He did show a whole new level of potential in the playoffs, which I never thought he could.  So I was certainly wrong about that.

I haven't seen Feschuk's article, but would I trade Kessel to COL for their pick, to get Jones?  That's a tough one, but I'd sure as hell think about it.  I've come to believe that (aside from solid goaltending) having a truly epic physical d-man (Pronger, Chara, Stevens) or epic positonal/skating dman (Lids, Nieds) is the ticket to multi-year contender status.  Is Jones that?  He very well might be.

But the other part of the equation is whether Lupul can pick up a substantial piece of the scoring slack if Kessel were traded.

Anyway, Kessel is not untouchable.  But he proved a lot of people like me wrong, and his value is probably at or very near its peak.

 

[Champ Kind]

But to trade Kessel for a young player who is still a "maybe" is, well, lunacy.  Victor Hedman, anyone?

(Damn these quotes...)

 

[lamajama]

I'll openly admit I was incredulous: I didn't think Phil Kessel would ever become more than a scoring winger with big holes in other parts of his game.  But really, the last 25 games of the season - when it mattered most - Kessel emerged as a borderline Superstar and, with little doubt, one of the top 10-12 forwards in the league. 

My tune has changed.  Sign this guy to a max term deal, give him the $7M+ he deserves, and judisiously bring in as much talent as you can to compliment him (and a few others).  He's a cornerstone, entering the prime of his career, and continuing to show growth across his game.  He'll likely never be Pavel Datsyuk complete, but he should be the foundation of the team for the next 8 years.

He's been in the top six in scoring for two years in a row now.  He had an incredible playoff series and when comparing to other star level players in the post season, he did better than most.  I would agree he's not going to be a Datsyuk'ian level player but he's going to be just below that.  I still see him getting better defensively and with decision making in the offensive zone with age.  He's still really young too!

He sold me with his play vs. the Bruins.  I'd lock him up as long as possible and have no issue with $7 mil. 

Trade him while he's hot?  Unreal.  :

Well, if they are going to trade him, now's the perfect time.  Depending on the return, I wouldn't be against it.

I understand the thinking but when was the last time an *elite* (and in terms of scoring etc he is elite) player was moved where the sending team got back real value? Lindros to Philly from Quebec? In most cases it's the superstar for a package of non-proven players or non-proven draft picks. Thankfully this is not where the Leafs really are right at this moment.