Leafs @ Sharks - Jan. 15th, 10:30pm - TSN, Fan 590

[GhostofPotvin29]

I interpret that aspect of the rule to be situations where the puck is loose, where the player can play the puck and in the process of shooting/hitting the puck into the net the player also contacts the goalie.  I didn't see the player touch the puck here, only push/hit/bump Reimer causing it to go in.

The rule doesn't state anything about the player having to touch the puck. If that was critical then it'd have been in there. It specifically says that any goal scored as a result would be good.

Well the rule I posted also specifically says something that happened.  Like I said, I was interpreting it and trying to imagine how a ref should/might interpret it generally.

EDIT:  But we'll agree to disagree, I've got nothing else to add.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Burns hammers Kadri with no puck in sight? I don't get reffing in the Western Conference.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@tsnscottcullen

What do we make of Kessel-Bozak-JvR? Panel hammered them for being invisible tonight, but only Leafs line with positive possession.

And zero points.  But that's less important.

Do you also not see the forest for the trees?

Process leads to results.  Results don't lead to results.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I turned my head for a second, but I'm guessing Kadri didn't have possession of the puck at all when Burns manhandled him?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Carrick's been invisible.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

I don't get all the stick work Sharks are getting away with.  Hacking, slashing, hooking in the hands. 

 

[ZBBM]

@tsnscottcullen

What do we make of Kessel-Bozak-JvR? Panel hammered them for being invisible tonight, but only Leafs line with positive possession.

And zero points.  But that's less important.

Do you also not see the forest for the trees?

Process leads to results.  Results don't lead to results.

I agree with you, but they don't have a Process Cup.  So you can only flog the possession stats so much while ignoring the stats that actually count.

 

[freer]

Western conference reminds me of the hockey prior to the lock. Hooking and grabbing. NO calls though

 

[CarltonTheBear]

As someone who generally doesn't like commercials, those FixAuto ones are pretty clever.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I agree with you, but they don't have a Process Cup.  So you can only flog the possession stats so much while ignoring the stats that actually count.

Anyone who thinks the Leafs can win a Stanley Cup this season is out of their mind.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@tsnscottcullen

What do we make of Kessel-Bozak-JvR? Panel hammered them for being invisible tonight, but only Leafs line with positive possession.

And zero points.  But that's less important.

Do you also not see the forest for the trees?

Process leads to results.  Results don't lead to results.

I agree with you, but they don't have a Process Cup.  So you can only flog the possession stats so much while ignoring the stats that actually count.

Sure you can when all the successful teams are good possession teams.

The graphic charts every team's Fenwick close since the 2007-2008 season. It's broken up into 50-percentage-point quadrants, from .400 to .600. Read it counterclockwise from the top right. Zero teams with the lowest Fenwick close have made the playoffs in the last five years. Every team with the highest Fenwick close has played into May, with three of the eight reaching the Cup finals. Even discarding those outliers, there's an enormous correlation with being on the plus side of .500.

http://deadspin.com/this-wonderful-graphic-proves-that-in-the-nhl-puck-pos-470045959

It's important for a reason.

 

[ZBBM]

I agree with you, but they don't have a Process Cup.  So you can only flog the possession stats so much while ignoring the stats that actually count.

Anyone who thinks the Leafs can win a Stanley Cup this season is out of their mind.

I couldn't agree with you more.  Why you append this comment to mine, I have no idea.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Bruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur  10 minutes ago
At this point, it's really hard to name one thing that David Clarkson does well on a hockey rink.

God that's so sad.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I couldn't agree with you more.  Why you append this comment to mine, I have no idea.

Bringing up the Process Cup pretty quickly leads to thinking about the Stanley Cup on the other end of things. To go a little further, do the "stats that actually count" really matter if they aren't leading to a Stanley Cup?

 

[L K]

Bruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur  10 minutes ago
At this point, it's really hard to name one thing that David Clarkson does well on a hockey rink.

God that's so sad.

And yet he's still on our 2nd PP-unit.  I really don't understand how Dubas/Shanahan/Spott/Horachek/Staios....haven't made that connection that he was brutal last year, is worse this year and yet he continues to get those opportunities.  Put Santorelli in that spot already.

 

[bustaheims]

Bruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur  10 minutes ago
At this point, it's really hard to name one thing that David Clarkson does well on a hockey rink.

God that's so sad.

Fall over. Look useless. Collect paycheques. All things he does well.

 

[ZBBM]

@tsnscottcullen

What do we make of Kessel-Bozak-JvR? Panel hammered them for being invisible tonight, but only Leafs line with positive possession.

And zero points.  But that's less important.

Do you also not see the forest for the trees?

Process leads to results.  Results don't lead to results.

I agree with you, but they don't have a Process Cup.  So you can only flog the possession stats so much while ignoring the stats that actually count.

Sure you can when all the successful teams are good possession teams.

The graphic charts every team's Fenwick close since the 2007-2008 season. It's broken up into 50-percentage-point quadrants, from .400 to .600. Read it counterclockwise from the top right. Zero teams with the lowest Fenwick close have made the playoffs in the last five years. Every team with the highest Fenwick close has played into May, with three of the eight reaching the Cup finals. Even discarding those outliers, there's an enormous correlation with being on the plus side of .500.

http://deadspin.com/this-wonderful-graphic-proves-that-in-the-nhl-puck-pos-470045959

It's important for a reason.

: 

Here's a another wonderful graphic:

http://www.nhl.co/ice/standings.htm?type=con

As the movie title said, Analyze This.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Gardiner makes me laugh.

 

[ZBBM]

I couldn't agree with you more.  Why you append this comment to mine, I have no idea.

Bringing up the Process Cup pretty quickly leads to thinking about the Stanley Cup on the other end of things. To go a little further, do the "stats that actually count" really matter if they aren't leading to a Stanley Cup?

OK then, we agree.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@tsnscottcullen

What do we make of Kessel-Bozak-JvR? Panel hammered them for being invisible tonight, but only Leafs line with positive possession.

And zero points.  But that's less important.

Do you also not see the forest for the trees?

Process leads to results.  Results don't lead to results.

I agree with you, but they don't have a Process Cup.  So you can only flog the possession stats so much while ignoring the stats that actually count.

Sure you can when all the successful teams are good possession teams.

The graphic charts every team's Fenwick close since the 2007-2008 season. It's broken up into 50-percentage-point quadrants, from .400 to .600. Read it counterclockwise from the top right. Zero teams with the lowest Fenwick close have made the playoffs in the last five years. Every team with the highest Fenwick close has played into May, with three of the eight reaching the Cup finals. Even discarding those outliers, there's an enormous correlation with being on the plus side of .500.

http://deadspin.com/this-wonderful-graphic-proves-that-in-the-nhl-puck-pos-470045959

It's important for a reason.

: 

Here's a another wonderful graphic:

http://www.nhl.co/ice/standings.htm?type=con

As the movie title said, Analyze This.

Why even respond to comments about possession if you're just going to act like that?  If you want to stick your head in the sand, go for it, you don't need me to shovel for you.