Leafs talking to Kiprusoff's agent

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

That also resulted in him being yanked after less than 17 minutes, 3 goals on 5/6 shots and that could be all she wrote on his Calgary career.

 

[leafplasma]

That also resulted in him being yanked after less than 17 minutes, 3 goals on 5/6 shots and that could be all she wrote on his Calgary career.

He was pulled in his last game as well after 2 periods allowing 5 goals on 20 shots against the Jackets.  He hasn't just regressed somewhat this season, mentally and physically he is done, I think his ship has sailed.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Interesting idea considering Nonis connection to Dreger...

Gillis issues a statement indicating there are four suitors for Luongo, Nonis counters by leaking to Dreger that the Leafs are close to a deal for Kipper.

Surely not?

 

[Derk]

I really hope that they don't. What is the point in trading for a goalie who gets pulled on a regular basis? *shudder*

 

[leafplasma]

Interesting idea considering Nonis connection to Dreger...

Gillis issues a statement indicating there are four suitors for Luongo, Nonis counters by leaking to Dreger that the Leafs are close to a deal for Kipper.

Surely not?

Could very well be tactics, interesting.  I still think that at this point if the Leafs get Luongo, it would be for virtually nothing so Gillis may need to drop his price off the side of a cliff for anything to happen.

 

[bustaheims]

Interesting idea considering Nonis connection to Dreger...

Gillis issues a statement indicating there are four suitors for Luongo, Nonis counters by leaking to Dreger that the Leafs are close to a deal for Kipper.

Surely not?

I hope it's all a smokescreen/media-generated BS and, 48 hours from now, neither are Leafs.

 

[leafplasma]

Interesting idea considering Nonis connection to Dreger...

Gillis issues a statement indicating there are four suitors for Luongo, Nonis counters by leaking to Dreger that the Leafs are close to a deal for Kipper.

Surely not?

I hope it's all a smokescreen/media-generated BS and, 48 hours from now, neither are Leafs.

Lets be thankful that the Leafs are off until Thursday.  If your Reimer or Scrivens and you are hearing all this BS and you have to play, as young goalies it would have to get to you somewhat.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If it's for anything less than a 2nd round pick I say giddy up. I like Scrivens, but I'd be more comfortable with Kipper backing up Reimer. As long as the price is right it's a pretty low risk move.

As for his stats this season, I'm very willing to take the chance that it has more to do with the team/atmosphere he's in right now. Even Iginla was on pace to score less than 60 points in a full season with the Flames. If you get Kipper's competitive juices flowing his play will improve.

Again, this is all dependent on the price being right and Kipper actually wanting to come to Toronto.

 

[leafplasma]

If it's for anything less than a 2nd round pick I say giddy up. I like Scrivens, but I'd be more comfortable with Kipper backing up Reimer. As long as the price is right it's a pretty low risk move.

As for his stats this season, I'm very willing to take the chance that it has more to do with the team/atmosphere he's in right now. Even Iginla was on pace to score less than 60 points in a full season with the Flames. If you get Kipper's competitive juices flowing his play will improve.

Again, this is all dependent on the price being right and Kipper actually wanting to come to Toronto.

I think the cap hit of 5.8 mill for next season is poor cap management for a back up though.

 

[Screwball]

If it's for anything less than a 2nd round pick I say giddy up. I like Scrivens, but I'd be more comfortable with Kipper backing up Reimer. As long as the price is right it's a pretty low risk move.

As for his stats this season, I'm very willing to take the chance that it has more to do with the team/atmosphere he's in right now. Even Iginla was on pace to score less than 60 points in a full season with the Flames. If you get Kipper's competitive juices flowing his play will improve.

Again, this is all dependent on the price being right and Kipper actually wanting to come to Toronto.

At this point you seriously have to question if Kipper has checked out mentally.  With a major change in his personal life recently (another child) he may not just have it in him anymore.  The hints you have heard at retirement and the possible refusal of a trade just point to a man who may have had enough.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If it's for anything less than a 2nd round pick I say giddy up. I like Scrivens, but I'd be more comfortable with Kipper backing up Reimer. As long as the price is right it's a pretty low risk move.

As for his stats this season, I'm very willing to take the chance that it has more to do with the team/atmosphere he's in right now. Even Iginla was on pace to score less than 60 points in a full season with the Flames. If you get Kipper's competitive juices flowing his play will improve.

Again, this is all dependent on the price being right and Kipper actually wanting to come to Toronto.

I think the cap hit of 5.8 mill for next season is poor cap management for a back up though.

Maybe not, but the Leafs do have a ton of cap space next season (especially if/when they buyout Komisarek). So it wouldn't cripple them. The Flames could also hold onto some as well.

Also, I would make this deal under the assumption that Kipper's play improves once he leaves Calgary. If he struggles as a Leaf this season and/or can't beat out Scrivens in training camp next seasom you waive him and assign him to the AHL. Odds are he retires instead of reporting. Especially for the $1.5mil he's due.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Maybe not, but the Leafs do have a ton of cap space next season (especially if/when they buyout Komisarek). So it wouldn't cripple them. The Flames could also hold onto some as well.

Also, I would make this deal under the assumption that Kipper's play improves once he leaves Calgary. If he struggles as a Leaf this season and/or can't beat out Scrivens in training camp next seasom you waive him and assign him to the AHL. Odds are he retires instead of reporting. Especially for the $1.5mil he's due.

If he has lost it and doesn't retire though?

You still have to sign some significant players on the roster this summer and it would mean we would have little to no wiggle room to make any significant UFA upgrades.

 

[leafplasma]

If it's for anything less than a 2nd round pick I say giddy up. I like Scrivens, but I'd be more comfortable with Kipper backing up Reimer. As long as the price is right it's a pretty low risk move.

As for his stats this season, I'm very willing to take the chance that it has more to do with the team/atmosphere he's in right now. Even Iginla was on pace to score less than 60 points in a full season with the Flames. If you get Kipper's competitive juices flowing his play will improve.

Again, this is all dependent on the price being right and Kipper actually wanting to come to Toronto.

I think the cap hit of 5.8 mill for next season is poor cap management for a back up though.

Maybe not, but the Leafs do have a ton of cap space next season (especially if/when they buyout Komisarek). So it wouldn't cripple them. The Flames could also hold onto some as well.

Also, I would make this deal under the assumption that Kipper's play improves once he leaves Calgary. If he struggles as a Leaf this season and/or can't beat out Scrivens in training camp next seasom you waive him and assign him to the AHL. Odds are he retires instead of reporting. Especially for the $1.5mil he's due.

Scrivens wont be in the equation though.  If the Leafs deal for Kipper, Scrivens would need to be dealt as he would never make it through waivers this year.  What is the chance of Nonis doing the Kipper deal and then at the last minute being able to get a decent trade for Scrivens.  Had the Leaf's goalies performed to the level of last year I would be all over this risk for Kipper but as it stands now there is nothing that makes sense about it, at least not to me.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

If they did want to carry three goalies re: your point about Scrivens.

Rosters expand after the deadline I believe and at some point, possibly in the summer, waivers are not in effect, so Scrivens could be assigned to the Marlies then, no?

The difficult part in that scenario would probably be convincing Scrivens to sign up again in the summer when I think he is a RFA with the promise of being third string.

If you take experience out of the decision and honestly it's impact is probably negligible, I see almost no reason to make the trade.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Not really in the mood to read back or look it up, but is there a time frame the Leafs would have to wait to buy Kipper out or can it be done after this year?

Can you buy a player out if another team holds part of their salary?


Can the Leafs do a "we'll give you a 3rd and our buy out candidate(Komisarek), and you give us Kiprusoff" kind of deal and then turn around and buy Kiprusoff out in the summer(knowing that he wants to retire)?

 

[leafplasma]

If they did want to carry three goalies re: your point about Scrivens.

Rosters expand after the deadline I believe and at some point, possibly in the summer, waivers are not in effect, so Scrivens could be assigned to the Marlies then, no?

The difficult part in that scenario would probably be convincing Scrivens to sign up again in the summer when I think he is a RFA with the promise of being third string.

If you take experience out of the decision and honestly it's impact is probably negligible, I see almost no reason to make the trade.

No Scrivens is signed for next year as well so that would't be an issue.  I never thought of them actually keeping 3 goalies on the roster so maybe if the rumours that Kipper is definitely going to retire next season is a for sure thing than this isn't the risk I was thinking.  However, if he isn't going to retire there is no way I do any deal.  I just do not want to waste cap space that we would have had going into next season as we would have had ample means to sign a great player or trade for one from a team fighting to get under the cap. 

 

[A finnish leaf fan]

I have somewhat mixed feelings about this. On one hand Kipper would provide an experienced backup to Reimer for the playoffs but on the other hand the Leafs are not going to be contending this year so it's kinda pointless to trade for an aging goalie right now. I guess if the price was low (the 3rd rounder being mentioned sounds okay as would an expendable mid-upside prospect) and if a compliance buyout during summer could be used on him should he continue his abysmal play after the trade I'd be okay with it. However, I somehow doubt Kipper himself would want to move all the way to T.O. right after having a baby. We'll see how things turn out in the next 30+ hours.

 

[drummond]

I do hope this is just a smokescreen either to get rid of Gillis and the whole Roberto Luongo affair or to get Bobby Lu for nothing. Preferebly the former.

 

[Zee]

I do hope this is just a smokescreen either to get rid of Gillis and the whole Roberto Luongo affair or to get Bobby Lu for nothing. Preferebly the former.

That's what I was thinking too.  Kiprusoff's numbers are brutal right now, and he's reluctant to leave Calgary for family reasons, is this a guy you really want to pursue? Kiprusoff of 5-6 years ago ok, not the guy today.

 

[Optimus Reimer]

If the Leafs can get him at a cheap price, he would be able to help Reimer and Scrivens towards and into the playoffs.  I would have a problem if they were to acquire Kiprusoff and make him the #1 goalie, just because Reimer and Scrivens have done pretty good jobs.