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Lightning @ Leafs - Dec. 8th, 7:30pm - Prime

CarltonTheBear

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Tampa Bay Lightning
16-10-2, 34 points​
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Toronto Maple Leafs
13-11-4, 30 pts​
Projected Line-ups​
Hagel-Cirelli-Guentzel
Paul-James-Bjorkstrand
Girgensons-Gourde-Holmberg
Douglas-Finley-Goncalves

Hedman-Crozier
Moser-Raddysh
D’Astous-Lilleberg

Johansson​
Knies-Matthews-Domi
Cowan-Tavares-Nylander
Joshua-Roy-McMann
Lorentz-Laughton-Robertson

Rielly-OEL
McCabe-Stecher
Benoit-Myers

Hildeby​
Scratches​
Nikita Kucherov
Andrei Vasilevskiy​
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Matias Maccelli
Calle Jarnkrok
Dakota Mermis​
Injuries​
Nikita Kucherov - Undisclosed - Questionable
Andrei Vasilevskiy - Undisclosed - Questionable
Dominic James - Undisclosed - Questionable
Curtis Douglas - Undisclosed - Questionable
Ryan McDonagh - Undisclosed - Injured Reserve
Erik Cernak - Undisclosed - Injured Reserve
Brayden Point - Undisclosed - Injured Reserve​
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Joseph Woll - Lower Body - Injured Reserve
Brandon Carlo - Lower Body - Injured Reserve
Chris Tanev - Upper Body - Injured Reserve
Anthony Stolarz - Upper Body - Injured Reserve​
Game Notes​
TB
-Jonas Johansson will likely start for the Lightning
-Apparently the Leafs aren't the only blue and white team that is vague when discussing injuries to their players. They're missing a number of key players at the moment with Kucherov and Vasilevskiy being the latest to miss games. They did get some good news as Victor Hedman returned to the line-up on Saturday after missing 12 games with a, yup you guessed it, undisclosed injury
-Tampa is currently on a 3 game losing streak after firing off 7 straight wins in 12 day to end November
TOR
-Dennis Hildeby will likely start for the Leafs
-The Leafs held an optional practice on Sunday meaning any potential line-up changes will have to wait for the morning skate
Streams​
 
cabber24 said:
We assume he would be an everyday player somewhere else but what do we know? Definitely feels like his career is being pissed away in Toronto.
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I think when fans look at guys like Mason Marchment and Carter Verhaeghe, they see players that could have fit nicely in with this roster, but feel like they weren't really given a fair chance to succeed here. The fear is that the Leafs go out an try and bandage in someone in the top 6, and Robertson will go somewhere else and be good in the top 6, so it will come across as just poor asset management.

Not sure what is going to happen. I am also not sure what Robertson has done or not done. It feels like he has said the wrong thing to the wrong person in the organization.
 
They've beaten the trade market to death for Robertson. They're obviously not intrigued by the return.
Treliving's job is on the line. He probably feels like he has to do something.
Makes me wonder if they're showcasing Cowan to improve on a return for him.
 
rdowdall said:
I think when fans look at guys like Mason Marchment and Carter Verhaeghe, they see players that could have fit nicely in with this roster, but feel like they weren't really given a fair chance to succeed here. The fear is that the Leafs go out an try and bandage in someone in the top 6, and Robertson will go somewhere else and be good in the top 6, so it will come across as just poor asset management.

Not sure what is going to happen. I am also not sure what Robertson has done or not done. It feels like he has said the wrong thing to the wrong person in the organization.
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To be fair, Marchment and Verhaeghe weren't everyday players when they were moved. They know what they have in Robertson and that's probably why they haven't moved him yet.
So let's bench Robertson for a guy that has 1pt in his last 15 games because he brings what over him?
 
cw said:
They've beaten the trade market to death for Robertson. They're obviously not intrigued by the return.
Treliving's job is on the line. He probably feels like he has to do something.
Makes me wonder if they're showcasing Cowan to improve on a return for him.
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They're not trading Cowan. As for the Robertson trade market. What does Tre expect to get for a guy who never got, at that time, a legit shot in the top 6, very limited ice and was sat in the press box? You're telling everyone basically you're trying to dump this player because the coach doesn't,(we) value him.
 
Based on what I've seen lately, I think Cowan should either be on line 3, or back in the AHL playing big minutes in all situations, and Robertson should be getting his opportunities in the top 6 and on the PP.
 
I agree with everyone on the cheap hand Robertson's been dealt. However, I feel compelled to point out that his size is a real drawback that cannot be fixed. That will always limit his ceiling, and he may not have that much more to give than what we have seen.
 
Guilt Trip said:
They're not trading Cowan. As for the Robertson trade market. What does Tre expect to get for a guy who never got, at that time, a legit shot in the top 6, very limited ice and was sat in the press box? You're telling everyone basically you're trying to dump this player because the coach doesn't,(we) value him.
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If this team is .536 at the halfway mark and Treliving is still GM, the team doesn't have many young assets to acquire a player who can make an impact. All NHL teams would know Treliving is in a desperate situation. Cowan would become a part of the trade conversation to save his job - if he isn't already. Treliving has 2028 1st, Cowan, Danford and Hildeby to offer to make an impact to save the season and his job. Or maybe one of the other two goalies.
 
Guilt Trip said:
They're not trading Cowan. As for the Robertson trade market. What does Tre expect to get for a guy who never got, at that time, a legit shot in the top 6, very limited ice and was sat in the press box? You're telling everyone basically you're trying to dump this player because the coach doesn't,(we) value him.
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And for all the good he does, he is always going to be an undersized forward who works hard but will have a tougher job dealing with bigger wingers. Robertson battles his ass off but he's not a perfect player. He's just a guy who seems to come out of the lineup really easily and the team doesn't seem to want to use his skillset. So I'm not even horrendously upset that he is going to sit against a strong team like Tampa....if it was a standard about play. The issue is he gets put in positions to not be successful and then gets punished for not playing like a 240 lbs grinder.
 
ZBBM said:
I agree with everyone on the cheap hand Robertson's been dealt. However, I feel compelled to point out that his size is a real drawback that cannot be fixed. That will always limit his ceiling, and he may not have that much more to give than what we have seen.
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There are plenty of small players that are very good. The point is in order to find his true ceiling you have to put him in a position to succeed. Guess what, Berube did for a bit. He got a legit shot in the top 6 and was doing well there. So instead of continuing to see where this would take us, he was moved from the 1st line to the 4th line for no apparent reason other then to accommodate Domi. We're not going to see what his ceiling is with his 4th line deployment.
 
I know Robertson has asked for trades and all that over the years.

But if I was him now, I’d be close to the point of flat out refusing to play until I got traded.

He must be so fed up.
 
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