Luongo

[ZBBM]

@DamoSpin Btw, VAN asking for Bjugstad, first rounder and a good roster player. Makes no sense for FLA.

Would really like to know who Gillis has asked Burke to part with for Luo. Im sure we'd all be angry about it.

Most speculate it starts with Gardiner.

And Burke has said he isn't going anywhere.

Given Luongo's contract, asking for Gardiner seems close to unrealistically insane to me - unless there's more coming back the Leafs way. There are simply not a bunch of teams stampeding to get Luongo, in large part because of his contract (many teams cannot afford the risk) and his recent play.

If Luongo stayed with the Canucks this season, I wouldn't be shocked.

For sure.  Gillis is trying to trade a player with a) a high-value, very long-term contract, b) a no-trade clause, c) the player asking for a trade, d) an extremely limited market to trade to both in terms of goaltending need and waiver of NTC, while e) very obviously having no further need for the player.  He HAS to trade this player, and it's plainly obvious to everybody.  He is trying to trade a decent calibre of player while having a very obvious and extreme weakness in negotiating position.  Gillis would be very lucky to get anything other than a bad contract player in return.

It seems almost unthinkable that Gillis should think he has any negotiating leverage with anybody to unload Luongo.  He can wait all he wants, I don't think any of the very few teams talking to him is going to blink at all on this one.  Sure, the closer it gets to September, the more Luongo might be willing to look at other teams, and maybe that's what Gillis is after, but I doubt that would change Gillis' trading prospects much, if at all.  For that matter, if he sits on this into September, it will be sure to be a circus in Vancouver.

I'm going to enjoy watching that asking price fall to nothing, or perhaps more likely, worse than nothing.

It has to be Nonis who has been in discussions with this jackass, because I'm sure Burke's Irish blood would have come to a boling point right after hearing the first counter offer.

HS, I think you nailed it.  Gillis has zero leverage, and anyone who gives him anything of value for Luongo needs to be cashiered. 

There are many diverse opinions about BB but I would hope we can all agree that if he gives up anything close to the value of a Gardiner to get Luongo then mass insurrection is justified.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm with you on this one, I don't get it either. Could it be made up? Because, as of the end of the draft, I think Tallon said "I've had no discussions about that player".

There was another interview where it sounded like he had had some discussions with Vancouver about him, but, the takeaway was that he wasn't going to move any of his top prospects.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I'm with you on this one, I don't get it either. Could it be made up? Because, as of the end of the draft, I think Tallon said "I've had no discussions about that player".

There was another interview where it sounded like he had had some discussions with Vancouver about him, but, the takeaway was that he wasn't going to move any of his top prospects.

Yeah, maybe my quote was just before the draft or Friday night, as I kind of remember what you're saying also.

 

[sneakyray]

The longer this thing drags on the less likely it is that I think Lu will be a maple leaf.  Unless of course the new CBA allows for a freebie buyout and toronto can sign him to a much more reasonable 5X5 contract.  But in that case every team interested will have a crack at him so I doubt that it will even happen for the leafs!

 

[Etiam Vultus]

In Fan Forums, such as this one, there is generally a range of opinions.  I went on to the Canucks forum and was amazed that there is close to a consensus that they are going to make out like bandits on the Luongo trade.  Suggestions prior to the draft included both Gardiner and the fifth overall pick in the draft because Burke had no choice but to obtain Luongo to save his job. 

There was a report that Burke and Gillis sat beside each other on the flight from Las Vegas (awards ceremony) to Pittsburgh (draft).  I wonder what they talked about?

 

[jonlleafs]

In Fan Forums, such as this one, there is generally a range of opinions.  I went on to the Canucks forum and was amazed that there is close to a consensus that they are going to make out like bandits on the Luongo trade.  Suggestions prior to the draft included both Gardiner and the fifth overall pick in the draft because Burke had no choice but to obtain Luongo to save his job. 

There was a report that Burke and Gillis sat beside each other on the flight from Las Vegas (awards ceremony) to Pittsburgh (draft).  I wonder what they talked about?

Where is this report? 

 

[bustaheims]

In Fan Forums, such as this one, there is generally a range of opinions.  I went on to the Canucks forum and was amazed that there is close to a consensus that they are going to make out like bandits on the Luongo trade.  Suggestions prior to the draft included both Gardiner and the fifth overall pick in the draft because Burke had no choice but to obtain Luongo to save his job. 

There was a report that Burke and Gillis sat beside each other on the flight from Las Vegas (awards ceremony) to Pittsburgh (draft).  I wonder what they talked about?

Yeah, Canucks fans are nuts and have done a great little job of creating a narrative that conveniently benefits them and, really, only them.

 

[Etiam Vultus]

In Fan Forums, such as this one, there is generally a range of opinions.  I went on to the Canucks forum and was amazed that there is close to a consensus that they are going to make out like bandits on the Luongo trade.  Suggestions prior to the draft included both Gardiner and the fifth overall pick in the draft because Burke had no choice but to obtain Luongo to save his job. 

There was a report that Burke and Gillis sat beside each other on the flight from Las Vegas (awards ceremony) to Pittsburgh (draft).  I wonder what they talked about?

Where is this report?

It was part of the draft coverage on TSN.  I forget which reporter said it.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Eklund gonna Eklund:

Lupul+Kulemin+Komisarek+2013 1st rounder for Raymond+Sauve+Luongo+2013 4th rounder.

He said we might be getting the 1st instead of giving it.

LoL

 

[Bender]

Eklund gonna Eklund:

Lupul+Kulemin+Komisarek+2013 1st rounder for Raymond+Sauve+Luongo+2013 4th rounder.

He said we might be getting the 1st instead of giving it.

LoL

Eklund has gone bat shit crazy.

 

[bustaheims]

Eklund gonna Eklund:

Lupul+Kulemin+Komisarek+2013 1st rounder for Raymond+Sauve+Luongo+2013 4th rounder.

He said we might be getting the 1st instead of giving it.

LoL

That's way too specific for Eklund. He's not the one reporting this, it's another sourceless SOB on Twitter.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

You're right, it was retweeted as Eklund Hockey Insider last night, should have verified it was thee Eklund.

 

[bustaheims]

You're right, it was retweeted as Eklund Hockey Insider last night, should have verified it was thee Eklund.

As a general rule, an Eklund generated rumour is purposely vague so that, if something similar goes down, he can claim he broke the news.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Handily, Eklund has posted a primer on his 'E' system this morning.  Gee, it all makes so much sense now.  He should just start crediting the posters who bring up rumours on these boards as being his sources.  It would be so much easier. 

BTW, I love E3:  "This rumor comes from a single source with ties somehow to the players or teams involved."

What does that mean?  The guy who services said player's dishwasher?  The paperboy?  A guy who had center ice seats for the team-in-question's last game?

Note on the E-System..

Many of you can skip this part, but if you are new the e-system in actuality works differently than many have portrayed it over the year. The system was designed to give the reader more info on the kinds of sources I am speaking to. It IS NOT a predictor of trades, rather only tells you who the interested teams are. With the exception of (e5) the e-system is purely about rumors.

So think of it this way: A player could be an e4 because I am almost certain they team is in on that player having heard the rumor form more than 1 person somehow connected to the deal, and yet still he goes somewhere else.. Just because a team is interested, doesn't mean they can get the deal done..

So what separates and e1 from and e4?

E1 - This is a rumor that comes from a single reliable source not in any way directly connected to the players or teams involved.
E2 - This rumor is simply more than one reliable sources not in any way directly connected to the players or teams involved and not connected to each other. It does not have to equate to two E1's. It could be several E1's.
E3 - This rumor comes from a single source with ties somehow to the players or teams involved.
E4 - This rumor comes from more than one source with ties to the players or teams involved.
E5 - This rumor comes from source telling Eklund the deal is 100% done and just has not been announced yet.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/The-LatestRumors-a-Plenty-24-Updated-NJ-Shake-Up-Schultz-News-Today/1/45247

 

[maplesyrup]

pinky swear = E what?

 

[bustaheims]

TSNBobMcKenzie: Insider Trading hilites: @DarrenDreger says dialogue continues between FLA and VAN on Luongo. Not so much TOR and VAN. FLA frontrunner.

 

[Redleaf]

TSNBobMcKenzie: Insider Trading hilites: @DarrenDreger says dialogue continues between FLA and VAN on Luongo. Not so much TOR and VAN. FLA frontrunner.

Don't see what FLA could offer that TOR couldn't match or beat? Probably handily.

 

[maplesyrup]

You know what, good. Run with Reimer and Scrivens + whomever and see what happens. If we make the playoffs, fantastic! If not, well, so be it.

 

[Redleaf]

You know what, good. Run with Reimer and Scrivens + whomever and see what happens. If we make the playoffs, fantastic! If not, well so be it.

Unless Reimer returns to his 2010-11 form, it will be... WELL, SO BE IT.

Not sure I have enough faith in that inexperienced duo to turn the tide in Toronto, at least not in the foreseeable future. Unfortunately the Leafs really do need a proven vet to lead the way and buy more time for either Reimer or Srivens to grow into that role. If FLA gets Luongo there will be MANY more angry fans voicing their displeasure by the end of next season. Book it.

 

[bustaheims]

Don't see what FLA could offer that TOR couldn't match or beat? Probably handily.

Well, it's more likely about what the Panthers are willing to offer that the Leafs are not.