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Marlies Talk 14/15 | aka What's Nylander up to?

Potvin29 said:
I don't think Nylander performing well in camp and being sent down has to send any sort of message beyond "Training Camp results are often meaningless."  Kadri performed very well offensively and was sent back down.  Countless players perform very well and disappear every training camp.  He could light it up offensively but be deficient in the rest of his game.
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That's why I didn't say if Nylander "performs well" but instead if he's legitimately the best offensive player in camp. Kadri wasn't that. Neither was Brandon Bochenski or a 25 year old AHLer who has a couple of big pre-season games. These guys will know if someone is the best player around as opposed to someone who's scoring a little because everyone else is going half speed.

If Nylander shows up and it's clear he needs another year of AHL development then, yes, that would be a different story. I'm talking about him showing up and it being clear that he would not only win a spot based on merit but be someone who could lead the team in scoring.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
If Nylander is the best offensive player at camp next year (which I agree is a possibility) then I don't think having him on the big club is really going to effect the tank drastically.
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I don't think Nylander's presence on the team will affect "the tank" much but if Nylander is the best offensive player in camp next year and he gets sent down then there's really no getting around the message that sends to the rest of the team.
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But then why send him down if all you want to do is have a team that you can walk away from?  I think the pros and cons would be about even concerning keeping him versus sending him back.  If his play merits him being in the NHL and it's not going to adversely affect your plan to rebuild, which keeping him up shouldn't, then they might as well keep him in the NHL.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
But then why send him down if all you want to do is have a team that you can walk away from?  I think the pros and cons would be about even concerning keeping him versus sending him back.  If his play merits him being in the NHL and it's not going to adversely affect your plan to rebuild, which keeping him up shouldn't, then they might as well keep him in the NHL.
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I think you've lost the plot a bit. What I'm saying is that if the rationale for sending him down is that despite being ready for the NHL you want to push his UFA status back a year or don't want him exposed to a rebuilding team or you just want to make the team as bad as possible or whatever then it's justifiable but that it's sending a clear message to the other guys on the roster.

I'm not advocating a specific course of action, I'm just saying that the Leafs can't tank for the next couple of years and expect the current guys on the roster to have a ton of enthusiasm or investment in what's going on.
 
There is the chance that what Dubas outlined recently could be 'bought', Rielly and Nylander convinced they're riding on the edge of a new wave. Fwiw I don't think Morgan is the type that requires a lot of input to gain focus, Nylander, maaaybe, but I don't have a good sense of him yet.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
But then why send him down if all you want to do is have a team that you can walk away from?  I think the pros and cons would be about even concerning keeping him versus sending him back.  If his play merits him being in the NHL and it's not going to adversely affect your plan to rebuild, which keeping him up shouldn't, then they might as well keep him in the NHL.
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I think you've lost the plot a bit. What I'm saying is that if the rationale for sending him down is that despite being ready for the NHL you want to push his UFA status back a year or don't want him exposed to a rebuilding team or you just want to make the team as bad as possible or whatever then it's justifiable but that it's sending a clear message to the other guys on the roster.

I'm not advocating a specific course of action, I'm just saying that the Leafs can't tank for the next couple of years and expect the current guys on the roster to have a ton of enthusiasm or investment in what's going on.
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So what do you do in that case?  Do you move Reilly just because you have to go through this process?  I mean what happens if they have this plan where they are going to be awful, and they try to be awful, like the Sabres this year, and they end of being decent?  What do they then?

And before you say "That isn't likely to happen", I would like to point out that the Leafs have tried to be good for the better part of ten years now, and they haven't had much success at it, so I don't know how much faith I have in their ability to be bad.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
And before you say "That isn't likely to happen", I would like to point out that the Leafs have tried to be good for the better part of ten years now, and they haven't had much success at it, so I don't know how much faith I have in their ability to be bad.
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It's a lot easier to build a really bad team than it is a really good one.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
And before you say "That isn't likely to happen", I would like to point out that the Leafs have tried to be good for the better part of ten years now, and they haven't had much success at it, so I don't know how much faith I have in their ability to be bad.
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It's a lot easier to build a really bad team than it is a really good one.
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I'll give you that.  Still think the Leafs can screw it up though.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
I'll give you that.  Still think the Leafs can screw it up though.
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I don't know. It seems as though the last 10 years is pretty solid evidence that it's the one thing they can do.
 
Nik the Trik said:
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I'll give you that.  Still think the Leafs can screw it up though.
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I don't know. It seems as though the last 10 years is pretty solid evidence that it's the one thing they can do.
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It depends on if they are doomed to fail at whatever they try and do.
 
caveman said:
so...would they fail at building a really bad team ? or is it opposite day ? :o
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Yes, my point was that if they inherently fail at what they try and do, and they try to be bad, then they will fail at being bad because it is what they are trying to do, so then they will be good.
 
Carrick looks to have benefited from his time with the big club, his puck pursuit has been insane so far, when he is on the ice he has taken the puck from the Americans almost everytime they've had it, he's turning it in to offensive chances too. He's put three or four on platters for teammates. He has a goal and a post himself.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
caveman said:
so...would they fail at building a really bad team ? or is it opposite day ? :o
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Yes, my point was that if they inherently fail at what they try and do, and they try to be bad, then they will fail at being bad because it is what they are trying to do, so then they will be good.
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I like it.... ;)
 
Marlies win 3-1, Leipsic with 1 and 1. Brown scored and Brennan had two apples.

At the time of posting they sit in 8th spot, even on points with 9th place Milwaukee, but the Marlies have two games in hand.
 
Patrick said:
Marlies win 3-1, Leipsic with 1 and 1. Brown scored and Brennan had two apples.

At the time of posting they sit in 8th spot, even on points with 9th place Milwaukee, but the Marlies have two games in hand.
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Milwaukee's playing right now, up 1-0 in the 3rd period. So if that holds the Marlies will of course be bumped back down to 9th but they'll have 3 games in hand so they're in a good spot.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Patrick said:
Marlies win 3-1, Leipsic with 1 and 1. Brown scored and Brennan had two apples.

At the time of posting they sit in 8th spot, even on points with 9th place Milwaukee, but the Marlies have two games in hand.
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Milwaukee's playing right now, up 1-0 in the 3rd period. So if that holds the Marlies will of course be bumped back down to 9th but they'll have 3 games in hand so they're in a good spot.
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And... Chicago scores 4 in the 3rd, Milwaukee loses 4-1. :)
 
Great news, its more than beneficial to this squad to reach the playoffs and go far. The development potential for these youngsters is fantastic. And as a good deal of them will be with the parent club next year, hopefully they come in as winners.
Carrick looks like a lock for the 4th line. Good for him.
 
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