Potvin29 said:
Right, I don't even know how I forgot to mention that. There's really only a handful of AHL teams in major cities. I'm sure that's a bonus to most coaches.
Marlies Talk 14/15 | aka What's Nylander up to?
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Right, I don't even know how I forgot to mention that. There's really only a handful of AHL teams in major cities. I'm sure that's a bonus to most coaches.
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
Eh, I don't like being this guy but that is one of those things I'd need to see some data on before I really believed it. I get the arguments for it, the being around a winning culture, getting used to the pressure of playoff hockey, getting to know your teammates in that situation etc but I think those arguments would be equally as valid in any other sport and I've just never heard a baseball guy say that, say, AA team success means much or there's an unexpected amount of great NFLers or NBA players who come from successful college programs.
It seems like it's one more of those chicken and the egg things and, I don't know, I just don't personally see it.
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
I think that might be less of a plus than you might think. Making NHL money and living Toronto is great but AHL money might go a lot further in a nice, smallish city like Portland or Manchester.
And personally I'd rank Toronto 3rd in terms of AHL cities, behind Chicago and Austin.
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Nik the Trik said:
I can't see how that would make a whole lot of difference for the duration of a coach's tenure, and particularly beyond it. The cost of home ownership would certainly be higher here, but I think that's pretty irrelevant if the guy's almost certainly going to sell his home in a handful of years anyway, and probably at a decent profit. Besides home ownership, the cost of living may well be higher here, but I can't see how it still wouldn't be a net plus to the coach if he's making, I don't know, 50K or 100K more here than coaching the Panthers' team in Portland. Is it really going to cost even more than that kind of pay difference to live here versus Portland or Manchester? And even disregarding all that, you can't tell me that life on the road with the Marlies wouldn't be a whole lot more comfortable for dining, lodging and travel than for most, if not all, other AHL teams.
Kin
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Heroic Shrimp said:
I think you might be underestimating the cost of buying a house in Toronto, especially if it's a guy with a family who needs to live downtown-ish. Living in a smaller city might be the difference between home ownership and renting a place while you're here.
Heroic Shrimp said:
I confess that I know very little about the Marlies operation and they're certainly well funded but, I mean, they're not Pacman Jones at a strip club. Yes they can afford to pay coaches more but do they? If Babcock is off the table this summer I think you'll find that the Leafs will probably end up paying the coach of their NHL team roughly a comparable salary to other coaches in the league. I can't really imagine it would be that much different in the AHL.
Likewise, I don't think they're going to have travel or per diem arrangements that are drastically different than other clubs. I thought those things were collectively bargained but even if not, I'm guessing they want to keep some incentive for guys to make it to the big club. I'm guessing the Marlies life isn't all that different from minor league hockey anywhere else.
Highlander
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I agree with Potvin, any team I rout for will lose happens almost every time. And I don't think Dineen will go anywhere next season.
To bad we couldnt solve this team and move on and get more experience but they are the youngest team in the AHL. Was very impressed with a few players: Frattin, Leispec, Carrick, Mikkleson, Gibson/Bibeau. However was very concerned about the non-play of Nylander who was invisible until game 5. He seemed like he was floating most of the time.
And Brennan is a disaster on defence. No wonder he can't make the NHL
To bad we couldnt solve this team and move on and get more experience but they are the youngest team in the AHL. Was very impressed with a few players: Frattin, Leispec, Carrick, Mikkleson, Gibson/Bibeau. However was very concerned about the non-play of Nylander who was invisible until game 5. He seemed like he was floating most of the time.
And Brennan is a disaster on defence. No wonder he can't make the NHL
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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WIGWAL's under the radar player of the year: Victor Loov
I think he might have the highest ceiling of any Dman on the Marlies. He plays a physical game, skates well and moves the puck efficiently, he's also developing some nice offensive instincts, he uses the slap pass really well.
He might be another year away, but I like what I see.
I think he might have the highest ceiling of any Dman on the Marlies. He plays a physical game, skates well and moves the puck efficiently, he's also developing some nice offensive instincts, he uses the slap pass really well.
He might be another year away, but I like what I see.
Patrick said:
I've always liked him and Nilsson more than Percy and Finn. I've got a thing for Swedish defencemen though, but I think that they're 1-2 at this point as far as our defence prospects go.
Coco-puffs
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CarltonTheBear said:
I don't think you are wrong in the order of the players you've mentioned- but I think Valiev will be better than all of them.
Highlander
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Percy was Ok but not a force, seems the Swedes are the ones to watch and McWilliam.
Loov looked great in his first 2 games, will be with the big club soon. Made a couple of gaffes last night after his two game suspension. One leading to a bad goal. However huge upside on this guy.
I really like the play of Grandberg, very poised, in control, he could be up as well.
All the Swedes play a good physical game.
Brown played well but not an amazing standout. Seems to have very good puck sense and vision, good at dishing.
Leipsec is a fire cracker, puck follows him around like a magnet, likes to play physical as well. Think he has a chance.
Carrick is a fighter with some big league talent. Like to see him with the Leafs next year.
McKegg played hard and seems to have some speed.
Leivo was a disappointment after the first two games, played well in those though.
Nylander seemed to be floating to me, not playing with extreme confidence at this point. His defensive game was non existent, had some good plays on offence especially in the last game. Based on what I saw think another year in the AHL would not hurt, especially if he is going to be groomed at Centre.
McWilliam is ready now, played a very physical series and I like his edge.
Frose did not impress this series.
Frattin was by far the best player on the ice, last night had I believe 7 shots, was hitting everything that moved and had several good scoring chances. Based on his year and playoffs I believe he should be given another chance, but only based on performance.
Loov looked great in his first 2 games, will be with the big club soon. Made a couple of gaffes last night after his two game suspension. One leading to a bad goal. However huge upside on this guy.
I really like the play of Grandberg, very poised, in control, he could be up as well.
All the Swedes play a good physical game.
Brown played well but not an amazing standout. Seems to have very good puck sense and vision, good at dishing.
Leipsec is a fire cracker, puck follows him around like a magnet, likes to play physical as well. Think he has a chance.
Carrick is a fighter with some big league talent. Like to see him with the Leafs next year.
McKegg played hard and seems to have some speed.
Leivo was a disappointment after the first two games, played well in those though.
Nylander seemed to be floating to me, not playing with extreme confidence at this point. His defensive game was non existent, had some good plays on offence especially in the last game. Based on what I saw think another year in the AHL would not hurt, especially if he is going to be groomed at Centre.
McWilliam is ready now, played a very physical series and I like his edge.
Frose did not impress this series.
Frattin was by far the best player on the ice, last night had I believe 7 shots, was hitting everything that moved and had several good scoring chances. Based on his year and playoffs I believe he should be given another chance, but only based on performance.
Coco-puffs said:
I'm looking at Valiev kind of how I looked at Connor Brown at this point last season, that's cautiously optimistic. His WHL stats might be influenced by the fact that he played on a team with Sam Reinhart, and I would assume that the two spent a lot of time on the ice together. I'll have to wait and see how he does at the AHL level before getting too excited.
Highlander
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Hopefully Valiev is the real deal lets see what a season with the Marlies will prove out, with the two or three Swedes and McWilliam we have at least two guys whom could be with the Leafs next season. I would actually like to see at least 3
L K
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Percy was downright disappointing this year. He had a nice training camp and looked really good in his first handful of games and then his game fell off a cliff. He was still getting praised by the media despite performing poorly and carried over with that poor play when he got demoted back to the AHL.
Percy was irrelevant in the series against Grand Rapids.
Percy was irrelevant in the series against Grand Rapids.
GhostofPotvin29
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L K said:
Same thing every season - a player looks good in training camp, media latches hold and talks about the player for months as if that performance is indicative of anything.
L K said:
Biggs took all of the heat that draft year, but Percy's selection wasn't really all that great either. Another guy taken with a 1st rounder who had a low ceiling. Most projected him to be a good #4 guy. Gotta aim higher in the 1st round.
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
I don't know if I agree that you always have to go upside in the later parts of the first round but I do agree that a lot of the time people maybe assume that prospects with low ceilings are "safer" than they actually are. I think one of the things we're seeing with Crouse is that if a guy really is seen as a safe bet to do anything in the NHL, he's going to be pretty highly ranked.
L K said:
This isn't directly related to your comment as I'm not sure if the guys I'm about to mention were billed as being "high ceiling" type players, but I was looking at some mock drafts from that year and Saad, Jenner, and Jurco were often going in the 1st round. Pretty odd that those 3 dropped into round 2.
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
It'd be interesting to see when those mock drafts were done because looking at that draft it seems like there's a pattern about draft position and scoring. From spots 15-30, 8 CHL forwards were taken. 6 of those 8 scored at or better than a PPG and the two who didn't were Europeans playing in their first year of Major Junior.
Then from spots 31-45 another 6 CHL forwards were taken, only 3 of which scored at or better than a point per game and as a group they scored about 10% less on average than the first group.
So it's I wonder if it's just that they had somewhat disappointing final numbers and that dropped them behind some guys who scored a little better. Jenner's kind of the weird one as he's a big guy who was over a PPG.