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Marlies Talk 15/16 - Is Sheldon worth Keefe'n around?

Nik the Trik said:
Good game for the Marlies, I suppose, but a so-so game for the actual prospects on the Marlies.

2. TOR Nylander, (7) (Leivo, Panik), 2:26
2. TOR Campbell, (5) (Bailey, Valiev), 9:19
2. TOR Panik, (2) (Gauthier), 18:49
3. TOR Hyman, (1) , 2:34 (SH)
3. BNG Dzingel, (3) (Guptill, Kostka), 6:16
3. TOR Brennan, (4) (Carrick), 10:03
3. TOR Brennan, (5) (Nylander, Arcobello), 12:41 (PP)

That's also only if you decide that Leivo isn't a prospect and that Panik doesn't have any future either.

Sparks stopped 34 of 35 too for a .971 SV%...probably not a prosect either.
 
So actual prospects had two of the six goals and seven of the seventeen(Throw Leivo in there, Panik isn't a prospect) points? So yeah, not awful, but not great.

There you go Patrick. Thirty words or less.
 
I probably wrongly understand the term so-so to mean; indifferent, tolerable or ordinary.

It just seems to have a somewhat negative connotation, for no reason. On a night when your prospects score seven points, you thought it was merely passable.

Nylander had a very good night, his two points pushing him into position as statistically the premiere forward in the AHL. Hyman had his first, an unassisted shorty and was good on the PK. Valiev has started to find his game at this level too, his passing was terrific last night, especially his first-pass in getting them out of their zone quickly. Leivo continued his point streak, he and Panik have really clicked with Nylander and they all seem to be creating a lot of space for one another. Sparks was one shot away from posting back to back shutouts and is looking like he brought his game from the ECHL and it's translating well to the AHL.

I just don't know how you look at how some of the key prospects on the team performed last night and think it was best described as "so-so." It's like you felt the need to be a little negative, when there was no reason to be.

Maybe it's a defense mechanism as a Leafs fan. If you don't allow yourself any optimism, the inevitable crushing lows we've had to put up with in the past won't feel as bad next time around.  ;)
 
So assuming I have your permission to respond with a few more words than I did before:

Patrick said:
I probably wrongly understand the term so-so to mean; indifferent, tolerable or ordinary.

It just seems to have a somewhat negative connotation, for no reason. On a night when your prospects score seven points, you thought it was merely passable.

Patrick, you certainly seem to know that I will happily engage in a spirited discussion about just about any topic under the sun. One of the very few jump-off points I have no real time for whatsoever though is whether or not a particular adjective was well used. "He's not elite, he's just very good" or "Oh you think it was awesome? Well I think it was stupendous!". That's really not for me. You think "so-so" isn't enthusiastic enough? I'm not going to argue with you about that.

But, while we're here, what I will say is based on my entirely unscientific perusal of one night's worth of AHL boxscores the word "ordinary" that you use does seem to fit. I didn't look at them all but it struck me that in games where teams scored three or more goals then it was fairly ordinary for two or so of the goals to come from prospects and a good number of the assists to boot. Utica scored 5 goals, three coming from Hunter Shinkaruk alone. San Antonio scored 4 goals with Mikko Rantanen and Joey Hishon racking up 3 goals and 4 assists between the two of them.

So yeah, I guess it strikes me as a fairly ordinary total. If that's a too withering or inaccurate criticism then I am happy to rescind it and return to not really giving a damn about the Marlies.
 
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Patrick said:
herman said:
This Nylander goal was pretty Philthy and does not seem fair. https://streamable.com/hjnt

I thought it was so-so.

Patrick's Projected Maple Leafs Lineup 2016-2017

Nylander-Nylander-Nylander
Nylander-Nylander-Nylander
Nylander-Nylander-Nylander
Nylander-Nylander-Nylander

Nylander-Nylander
Nylander-Nylander
Nylander-Rielly

Nylander
Nylander
 
Nik the Trik said:
Patrick said:
herman said:
This Nylander goal was pretty Philthy and does not seem fair. https://streamable.com/hjnt

I thought it was so-so.

Patrick's Projected Maple Leafs Lineup 2016-2017

Nylander-Nylander-Nylander
Nylander-Nylander-Nylander
Nylander-Nylander-Nylander
Nylander-Nylander-Nylander

Nylander-Nylander
Nylander-Nylander
Nylander-Rielly

Nylander
Nylander

;D
 
Patrick said:
herman said:
This Nylander goal was pretty Philthy and does not seem fair. https://streamable.com/hjnt

I thought it was so-so.

O'Connor had a good view of Nylander, who took a heavy wrister wind-up and went down on one knee, and still got completely beat post-and-in. Nothing fancy.
 
Another so-so performance from a Leafs prospect

The American Hockey League announced today that Toronto Marlies goaltender Garret Sparks has been selected as the CCM/AHL Player of the Week for the period ending Nov. 8, 2015.

Sparks won all three of his starts for the Marlies last week, stopping 96 of 101 shots to lead Toronto the top of the North Division standings.

Sparks began the week with a 30-save shutout in a Wednesday matinee at Hartford, earning first-star honors in a 5-0 Marlies victory. On Friday night, Sparks made 32 saves and denied both Utica attempts in the shootout as Toronto edged the Comets, 5-4. And on Saturday, Sparks turned aside 34 of 35 shots and was again named the game?s first star in the Marlies? 6-1 win at Binghamton. For the week, Sparks posted a 1.62 goals-against average and a .950 save percentage to go with his 3-0-0 record.
 
Patrick said:
Another so-so performance from a Leafs prospect

The American Hockey League announced today that Toronto Marlies goaltender Garret Sparks has been selected as the CCM/AHL Player of the Week for the period ending Nov. 8, 2015.

Sparks won all three of his starts for the Marlies last week, stopping 96 of 101 shots to lead Toronto the top of the North Division standings.

Sparks began the week with a 30-save shutout in a Wednesday matinee at Hartford, earning first-star honors in a 5-0 Marlies victory. On Friday night, Sparks made 32 saves and denied both Utica attempts in the shootout as Toronto edged the Comets, 5-4. And on Saturday, Sparks turned aside 34 of 35 shots and was again named the game?s first star in the Marlies? 6-1 win at Binghamton. For the week, Sparks posted a 1.62 goals-against average and a .950 save percentage to go with his 3-0-0 record.

It's amazing what a goalie can do behind a veteran defense.
 
Sparks woke up last year with the Solar Bears, he said he came to the realization that he had to recommit  himself to working harder, to raising his intensity level and becoming a leader. Hopefully this commitment will lead him to mental toughness early in his career, something that Bernier has admitted is a problem for him still at his age.

It seems clear Reimer is using this new coaching, tracking data in his approach and have seen some definite improvement.

With this kind of coaching and tracking methods we hopefully will have a very good starter out of Sparks or Bibeau in a year or two?lets hope so
 
The One where Jonas Siegel had nothing to write about:
http://www.tsn.ca/nylander-wants-to-play-for-leafs-this-season-1.392128

William Nylander, the club?s 2014 first-round pick, has one prime objective for this season: play in the National Hockey League. It remains the goal as he continues his first full campaign in the American Hockey League, even as the organization insists that an opportunity to skate with the big club is no sure thing.

?Oh yeah, of course it is,? Nylander said of his desire to play for the Leafs this season. ?That?s the no. 1 goal. That?s what I want.?

[...]

Though he was piling up about a point-per-game pace in the early going, Nylander was unhappy with his start. Sheldon Keefe, the Marlies first-year coach, labelled it as inconsistent, adding that Nylander had picked out numerous areas for improvement and confronted them head on.

[...]

He and Keefe meet on the regular to discuss both the good and the bad of his play. Early on, there were issues in the defensive zone that had to be addressed; his play away from the puck had to improve.

?Recognizing is one thing, but to be able to go out and show that growth on the ice is another and he?s done that here, especially of late,? Keefe said. ?We?re looking forward to that process continuing.?

A self-assured individual, Nylander believes his first nine games this season were lacking. There wasn?t a specific issue he could point to; just a feeling like everything was a bit off. Both player and coach agree he?s had a more rounded effort the last few games.

?I don?t want to say Willie?s hard on himself,? Keefe said. ?I think he?s honest with himself.

?He?s very committed to getting better. He?s come here with the right attitude, the right approach and wants to get better. He wants to sit down and learn and listen and he encourages me to stay on him, to show him video. He?s not someone that shuts you out and is just going through the motions. He has tackled each day with the intention of getting better.?
 
The One where James Mirtle provides a rather glowing review of the Marlies so-so prospects.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/youthful-marlies-outperforming-outlook-as-torontos-team-to-watch/article27224639/

As expected, it has been a tough start for the 2015-16 Toronto Maple Leafs.

They have only three wins after 15 games and, even at this early stage, they could be out of the playoff picture. Despite new coach Mike Babcock?s efforts, they?ve had problems with goaltending, scoring and special teams.

The would-be 2017-18 Maple Leafs, however, are a different story.

Playing in relative obscurity a few minutes from the Air Canada Centre, the Toronto Marlies look like everything the current Leafs are not.

They have scored nearly four goals a game ? leading the American Hockey League with 51 ? and have one of the best records so far (10-3-0). They have the AHL?s highest-scoring young player (19-year-old William Nylander), the top-scoring defenceman (T.J. Brennan) and a promising young netminder (Garret Sparks).

And they are doing it all while serving as a sort of organizational science experiment that?s being led by Maple Leafs assistant general manager Kyle Dubas.

The Marlies, you see, don?t have a well-balanced roster. The players are almost all young. Almost all are under 200 pounds. And they are almost all quick, puck-moving types who excel in and execute Babcock?s system, albeit in a league down from the NHL.
 
As ready as Nylander may be or think he is I really hope the Leafs leave him down for the rest of the year.  I am not saying Mcdavid or anyone else would have not been injured on that play but it seems the extra year of muscle added to his frame will serve him better. the kid is only 19
 
You know, sometimes I think that I've been pretty worn down by the years of Leafs being terrible but then I see people who flip out about mild criticisms about a AHL team they've had to talk themselves into and I realize I've actually dealt with all of the disappointment comparatively well.
 

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