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Mitch Marner: what now?

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Nik the Trik said:
Yup and I'm still 75/25 or 80/20 that you're right. There's a small nagging part of me though that says something's slightly different these days and especially with regards to the Leafs.
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Just to clarify, do you mean you think Toronto might not match that, or that a team might offer it knowing it won't succeed just to mess with the Leafs? I can see the latter, but not the former.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Nik the Trik said:
Yup and I'm still 75/25 or 80/20 that you're right. There's a small nagging part of me though that says something's slightly different these days and especially with regards to the Leafs.
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Just to clarify, do you mean you think Toronto might not match that, or that a team might offer it knowing it won't succeed just to mess with the Leafs? I can see the latter, but not the former.
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Well, except look at what Herman just posted. If the Leafs were ultimately willing to swallow 10.5/5 why not just get it done? I appreciate digging in your heels to try and get a better deal but if Ferris is confident he can get that offer sheet it seems to me you might as well just bite the bullet and accept that as Marner's market value.

But to more directly answer your question, I think it's sort of a combination of the two. If we can all agree that 10.5/5 is an easy match for the Leafs, which means that it would be a good deal for the teams floating it in the very unlikely event it wouldn't be matched, then I wouldn't put it past a team to pursue it. They can rationalize it with "We'd be really thrilled to get Marner at this price" while worst-case scenario is they force the Leafs to accept a deal they'd prefer to negotiate down.
 
As a side note: there's probably going to be a lot of "Woe is us, how come this always happens to the Leafs" when(if?) Marner signs a deal here nobody is entirely thrilled with but when's the last time a significant deal was signed in the NHL that people came away from saying "Wow, what a great deal for the team?"


The Erik Karlsson deal was a lot of money and term for a guy his age/injury history, the Hayes and Skinner deals both struck me as high, I know some people like the Eberle deal for the Islanders but that's predicated on a big return to form.

Can anyone think of one?
 
Nik the Trik said:
As a side note: there's probably going to be a lot of "Woe is us, how come this always happens to the Leafs" when(if?) Marner signs a deal here nobody is entirely thrilled with but when's the last time a significant deal was signed in the NHL that people came away from saying "Wow, what a great deal for the team?"


The Erik Karlsson deal was a lot of money and term for a guy his age/injury history, the Hayes and Skinner deals both struck me as high, I know some people like the Eberle deal for the Islanders but that's predicated on a big return to form.

Can anyone think of one?
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Assuming Kucherov's doesn't count, I'd probably have to go as far back as Fall 2017 when Pasta and Eichel signed theirs.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Assuming Kucherov's doesn't count, I'd probably have to go as far back as Fall 2017 when Pasta and Eichel signed theirs.
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No, all of the Tampa ones count. I think we can agree they're at the very least in a unique situation though.

Pastrnak I'd give you but I think there were a lot of people critical of the Eichel deal for Buffalo. More than a few people here rejected it as a comparison for our own guys because they thought Buffalo just caved to his demands.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Pastrnak I'd give you but I think there were a lot of people critical of the Eichel deal for Buffalo. More than a few people here rejected it as a comparison for our own guys because they thought Buffalo just caved to his demands.
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Yeah. In hindsight, Eichel's contract looks good, but, at the time, it felt like an overpayment.
 
bustaheims said:
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Marner will find that other teams aren't offering a significantly better deal than the Leafs. A lot of teams will be put off by the idea of giving up four 1st round picks as compensation, which would serve to put a cap on their offers. Combined with the cap not rising as high as was expected, I suspect it won't be long before the Marner camp learns that the huge offer they're hoping for isn't out there.
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If I was Dubas, I'd make a show of meeting with Panarin the instant the negotiating period starts (which he should do for due diligence anyway.)
 
Bullfrog said:
If I was Dubas, I'd make a show of meeting with Panarin the instant the negotiating period starts (which he should do for due diligence anyway.)
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So, yesterday or today? Because, the UFA interview period is open.
 
Well, yesterday of course. So the instant yesterday starts, he should talk with him.  ;)

hehe, I had June 26 stuck in my mind for some reason.
edit: because June 26 is the RFA negotiating start date.
 
Bullfrog said:
Well, yesterday of course. So the instant yesterday starts, he should talk with him.  ;)

hehe, I had June 26 stuck in my mind for some reason.
edit: because June 26 is the RFA negotiating start date.
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That's cause Darren Dreger aka Paul Marner has that date stamped on your brain as the date Marner can hop planes to go and talk to other teams
 
Why would he get on the plane? They should be giving him his due respect and come supplicating at his feet on hands and knees.
 
herman said:
Why would he get on the plane? They should be giving him his due respect and come supplicating at his feet on hands and knees.
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It's better for the dog and pony show to have Mitch waiving at Pearson as he gets on.
 
herman said:
Why would he get on the plane? They should be giving him his due respect and come supplicating at his feet on hands and knees.
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Seems like more of a "we will take a meeting" from teams rather than we want a meeting. I think they can see the program unfold.
 
I said this during the Nylander stuff but people really need to wise up to what being a RFA means. It doesn't mean you owe your team service time, it doesn't mean you're any less likely to want to leave or get your market value, it doesn't mean you're under some sort of contract...

Literally all it means is the team can match any outside contract you sign. That's it. That GMs have decided to kill the RFA market has worked to their advantage but it doesn't make the labour of younger players less valuable than that of UFAs.
 
Nik the Trik said:
I said this during the Nylander stuff but people really need to wise up to what being a RFA means. It doesn't mean you owe your team service time, it doesn't mean you're any less likely to want to leave or get your market value, it doesn't mean you're under some sort of contract...

Literally all it means is the team can match any outside contract you sign. That's it. That GMs have decided to kill the RFA market has worked to their advantage but it doesn't make the labour of younger players less valuable than that of UFAs.
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Am I missing something we don't already know? What's your point?
 
Guilt Trip said:
Am I missing something we don't already know? What's your point?
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That many people don't tend to act like this is true during contentious RFA negotiations
 
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