Mitch Marner: what now?

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm trying to think of something specific that the Leafs could do that would terrify anyone.

Point or McAvoy. Even if their team matches the deal (which they almost certainly would) it could still potentially really disrupt the perfect cap situations they've got going on.

 

[Bullfrog]

He doesn?t have to offer sheet anyone. He could out pay you on your best scouts.

Dubas can do the cold-blooded thing too. There?s a reason Andreas Johnsson and Kasperi Kapanen jumped to sign deals immediately after Dubas said he isn?t going to blindly match offersheets.

Is that reason "coincidence"? Truthfully, it might have had some minor influence, but I doubt it moved the needle or timeline much. Players are not going to sign offer sheets without being prepared for their existing team to walk away.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He doesn?t have to offer sheet anyone. He could out pay you on your best scouts.

Dubas can do the cold-blooded thing too. There?s a reason Andreas Johnsson and Kasperi Kapanen jumped to sign deals immediately after Dubas said he isn?t going to blindly match offersheets.

Is that reason "coincidence"? Truthfully, it might have had some minor influence, but I doubt it moved the needle or timeline much. Players are not going to sign offer sheets without being prepared for their existing team to walk away.

Yeah I don't think that effected Johnsson/Kappy much, especially since both their rumoured deals are more in the "fair" category than "steals".

 

[Kin]

Wasn't necessarily referring to the UFA market. Was thinking more trade market. With 10 mil in cap space and the 4 1sts, the Leafs could easily put a deal together to get a top D man. They probably would have had Subban right now if that was the case.

Even then, I dispute the idea of them being able to do it easily. Top tier defensemen aren't available for any price usually and in the last few examples where they got moved it was cases where there's real questions about their health/long-term viability.

Not to put too fine a point on it but I wouldn't have even looked at a Subban for Marner deal.

 

[Kin]

He doesn?t have to offer sheet anyone. He could out pay you on your best scouts.

Dubas can do the cold-blooded thing too. There?s a reason Andreas Johnsson and Kasperi Kapanen jumped to sign deals immediately after Dubas said he isn?t going to blindly match offersheets.

Is that reason "coincidence"? Truthfully, it might have had some minor influence, but I doubt it moved the needle or timeline much. Players are not going to sign offer sheets without being prepared for their existing team to walk away.

Yeah, I don't think anyone is signing an offer sheet as some sort of ruse to force their team's hand.

 

[BrownRolo]

How are Leafs going to offer sheet a player when they don't have their 2020 first rounder?

 

[Bender]

How are Leafs going to offer sheet a player when they don't have their 2020 first rounder?

This is all based on if Marner signs an offer sheet of 4 1sts.

 

[BrownRolo]

How are Leafs going to offer sheet a player when they don't have their 2020 first rounder?

This is all based on if Marner signs an offer sheet of 4 1sts.

They have to be your own 1sts. So...Yeah no offer sheet coming from the Leafs.

 

[Kin]

How are Leafs going to offer sheet a player when they don't have their 2020 first rounder?

This is all based on if Marner signs an offer sheet of 4 1sts.

They have to be your own 1sts. So...Yeah no offer sheet coming from the Leafs.

I don't think that's true:

The team submitting the offer sheet has to have all of the required compensation picks, and they have to be their own picks. They have to be picks for the next draft (so 2020) unless they are required to have two picks of the same round. Then they can have two of the next three year?s picks to offer.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/5/3/18528900/nhl-offer-sheet-compensation-for-next-season-contracts-rfa-point-rantanen-but-not-marner

 

[BrownRolo]

How are Leafs going to offer sheet a player when they don't have their 2020 first rounder?

This is all based on if Marner signs an offer sheet of 4 1sts.

They have to be your own 1sts. So...Yeah no offer sheet coming from the Leafs.

I don't think that's true:

The team submitting the offer sheet has to have all of the required compensation picks, and they have to be their own picks. They have to be picks for the next draft (so 2020) unless they are required to have two picks of the same round. Then they can have two of the next three year?s picks to offer.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/5/3/18528900/nhl-offer-sheet-compensation-for-next-season-contracts-rfa-point-rantanen-but-not-marner

Says in the quote you just posted it has to be their own picks.

 

[Kin]

Says in the quote you just posted it has to be their own picks.

Right but also that if the comp includes multiple picks in the same round a team can do it by owning two of their next three picks. The Leafs do own two of their next three firsts.

Seriously, just read the two sentences after what you bolded.

 

[BrownRolo]

Says in the quote you just posted it has to be their own picks.

Right but also that if the comp includes multiple picks in the same round a team can do it by owning two of their next three picks. The Leafs do own two of their next three firsts.

Seriously, just read the two sentences after what you bolded.

I read that as pertaining to "They have to be picks for the next draft (2020) unless..."

My impression is you need your own teams picks first or it's a nogo.

 

[Kin]

I read that as pertaining to "They have to be picks for the next draft (2020) unless..."

Right, and the two higher end offer sheet compensations meet that criteria of requiring multiple picks in a round(either 4 1sts or 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd).

 

[BrownRolo]

I read that as pertaining to "They have to be picks for the next draft (2020) unless..."

Right, and the two higher end offer sheet compensations meet that criteria of requiring multiple picks in a round(either 4 1sts or 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd).

So you're saying the Leafs can offer sheet a player and don't even need to give a 2020 1st rounder?

They just give a 2021 and 2022?

I think you're reading that incorrectly or its worded poorly.

From a Sportsnet article a year ago:

If the compensation demands multiple picks from the same round, the signing team must have the pick in the upcoming draft, and then any additional picks covered in the subsequent years. For instance, if compensation is two first-round picks, the signing team must have its own first-rounder in 2019 and 2020 (since the signing period began July 1, after this year?s draft).

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-offer-sheets-work-six-players-get-one/

 

[Kin]

So you're saying the Leafs can offer sheet a player and don't even need to give a 2020 1st rounder?

They just give a 2021 and 2022?

I think you're reading that incorrectly or its worded poorly.

Nope, I'm fairly sure I've got this one right. I'm reading directly from the CBA(Article 10.4) now:

Clubs owing two (2) draft picks in the same round, must have them available in the next three (3) drafts.

Clubs owing three (3) draft picks in the same round, must have them available in the next four (4) drafts and so on.

When a club owes two (2) draft picks in the same round, the signing Club does not elect the years in which such selections shall be awarded to the Prior Club; rather the selections next available will be transferred to the Prior Club.

https://www.nhlpa.com/the-pa/cba

 

[BrownRolo]

I don't know then. It seems crazy that the Leafs could offersheet say Tkachuk at 5 years for 9.5 and the Flames would have to wait until 2021 to even draft.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/BeerLeagueHeroe/status/1143301972260376580

I have a very, very hard time believing this but if Aho gets anything less than $8mil on a long-term deal after what we're going through here I might throw something.

 

[herman]

We should just let Mitch take an offer sheet and sheet Aho instead.

 

[L K]

https://twitter.com/BeerLeagueHeroe/status/1143301972260376580

I have a very, very hard time believing this but if Aho gets anything less than $8mil on a long-term deal after what we're going through here I might throw something.

Rantanen is going to the be the one contract that for me is going to drive me nuts if he comes in under Marner.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Rantanen is going to the be the one contract that for me is going to drive me nuts if he comes in under Marner.

You mean when he comes in under Marner.