Nylander signing 8-year, $92mil extension

[ZBBM]

This makes it harder to construct a Cup winner but it'll be a blast watching him through all the rest of his prime.

As they say, the hardest thing to get in the NHL is goal-scoring talent.  It's now possible that 4 recent Leaf first-rounders could spend their whole careers in Toronto.  Maybe Liljegren too!

 

[Bender]

Nylander is a great player.

This is a huge fail for the Toronto Maple Leafs. They could have had the player for less in the offseason. As an organization they've bungled the retention of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander. EVERY organization in the NHL seems to retain their star players for less.

Boston is paying $2m less for Pastrnak, over 8 years as well.

The Leafs need all the cap space they can muster and Nylander at $10.5 vs $11.5m is a huge deal.

I really hope they don't write articles after Nylander, Marner, and Matthews all retire about how they weren't able to win it all because the team didn't enough the money to flesh out a roster around them able to win it all.

Nylander had no impetus to sign anything. If I were Nylander and I thought I could juice my numbers by having a good first half, that's what I do. At the end of the year the Leafs were going to be paying $10.5 even in an average year for Willy. The Leafs had 0 leverage. Also Leafs will be paying a similar amount in terms of cap percentage to Pastrnak. It's an overpay but he's having a contract year and the Leafs don't have many options. Agents aren't negotiating in just dollars anymore.

I definitely don't think they can win with all 4 guys making what they make. Tavares is either gone next year or gets the Bergeron treatment when he comes up next. That and the cap actually going up is where the extra cash will come from to flesh out the rest of the roster.

 

[ZBBM]

It's a lot of money.  2023 Nylander is absolutely worth it.  2022 Nylander as a UFA is probably what he gets.

It will be interesting to see how the Leafs handle Marner.  He's eligible for an extension on July 1st and right now is having a "down" year.  His overall play is down but he's still on pace for 33G 88P right now.  It would be nice if his extension could come in between Matthews and Nylander and if the cap keeps going up that would be perfectly fine.

Management needs to toughen up when negotiations with Marner start. They want to build a winner they need to address the D. Marner has been paid very well last few years for a playoff no show. He doesn't deserve more than Willy as things stand now so if anything you bump him up to Willy's contract at most. If he doesn't like it then try shipping him off. With his contract and JT coming off the cap you got tons of money to sign some D and possibly a net minder to share the net with Woll. Build around 34 & 88.

I wouldn't be so quick to jettison Marner.  He's a very special player too.

 

[cabber24]

It's a lot of money.  2023 Nylander is absolutely worth it.  2022 Nylander as a UFA is probably what he gets.

It will be interesting to see how the Leafs handle Marner.  He's eligible for an extension on July 1st and right now is having a "down" year.  His overall play is down but he's still on pace for 33G 88P right now.  It would be nice if his extension could come in between Matthews and Nylander and if the cap keeps going up that would be perfectly fine.

Management needs to toughen up when negotiations with Marner start. They want to build a winner they need to address the D. Marner has been paid very well last few years for a playoff no show. He doesn't deserve more than Willy as things stand now so if anything you bump him up to Willy's contract at most. If he doesn't like it then try shipping him off. With his contract and JT coming off the cap you got tons of money to sign some D and possibly a net minder to share the net with Woll. Build around 34 & 88.

The playoff no-shows terrifies me. You cannot have superstars who disappear when it matters. If he doesn't have a good playoff I would start planning a future without 16.

 

[azzurri63]

Officially official:

https://twitter.com/MapleLeafs/status/1744401128035344872

Glad it's done.

I am torn between enjoying our "Globe Trotters" versus allocating assets in a way to win the Stanley Cup. Feels closer to a spectacle than a winner still. Let's hope for some brilliant cap allocation this summer toward the blue line. I wouldn't trade many assets this season and go shopping this summer.

Management seems to think it's a winning formula and as far as trading assets what really is left? We don't have anybody in the minors that you can honestly say is going to be a star and draft picks are thin.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1744407635254771754

Another small minor complaint, I wish the massive signing bonuses the Leafs are able to put into these deals actually came with a positive trade-off for the team (i.e. through convincing a player to take a AAV hit). Pasta's deal, in comparison, contained only $26.5mil in signing bonuses. It's like the one advantage that a team like the Leafs have over the vast majority of the league but it doesn't seem to actually provide any benefit.

 

[azzurri63]

It's a lot of money.  2023 Nylander is absolutely worth it.  2022 Nylander as a UFA is probably what he gets.

It will be interesting to see how the Leafs handle Marner.  He's eligible for an extension on July 1st and right now is having a "down" year.  His overall play is down but he's still on pace for 33G 88P right now.  It would be nice if his extension could come in between Matthews and Nylander and if the cap keeps going up that would be perfectly fine.

Management needs to toughen up when negotiations with Marner start. They want to build a winner they need to address the D. Marner has been paid very well last few years for a playoff no show. He doesn't deserve more than Willy as things stand now so if anything you bump him up to Willy's contract at most. If he doesn't like it then try shipping him off. With his contract and JT coming off the cap you got tons of money to sign some D and possibly a net minder to share the net with Woll. Build around 34 & 88.

I wouldn't be so quick to jettison Marner.  He's a very special player too.

Nobody here questions his talent. It's the boneheaded plays and playoff performance that has me thinking he doesn't need a raise. Cabber is right. Players elevate their game come spring Marner disappears. You can pile up points in the regular season but if you disappear when the going gets tough what good is it? All I'm saying is you want to resign him fine just don't throw more money at him. I'm ok with paying him the same as 88. You sign him for the same and use JT's 11 million to help the backend and maybe net.

 

[L K]

It's a lot of money.  2023 Nylander is absolutely worth it.  2022 Nylander as a UFA is probably what he gets.

It will be interesting to see how the Leafs handle Marner.  He's eligible for an extension on July 1st and right now is having a "down" year.  His overall play is down but he's still on pace for 33G 88P right now.  It would be nice if his extension could come in between Matthews and Nylander and if the cap keeps going up that would be perfectly fine.

Management needs to toughen up when negotiations with Marner start. They want to build a winner they need to address the D. Marner has been paid very well last few years for a playoff no show. He doesn't deserve more than Willy as things stand now so if anything you bump him up to Willy's contract at most. If he doesn't like it then try shipping him off. With his contract and JT coming off the cap you got tons of money to sign some D and possibly a net minder to share the net with Woll. Build around 34 & 88.

The playoff no-shows terrifies me. You cannot have superstars who disappear when it matters. If he doesn't have a good playoff I would start planning a future without 16.

The playoff no-show is probably a bit of an unfair label.  He has 47 points in 50 games.  It's the goal scoring that is a problem.  His game is too reliant on set up and that gets hurt in the playoffs and teams can stick closer to Matthews and take away his space because Marner won't shoot.

 

[Stebro]

Honesty I think it's fair, doesn't mean that I like it.

 

[Joe S.]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1744407635254771754

Another small minor complaint, I wish the massive signing bonuses the Leafs are able to put into these deals actually came with a positive trade-off for the team. Pasta's deal, in comparison, contained only $26.5mil in signing bonuses. It's like the one advantage that a team like the Leafs have over the vast majority of the league but it doesn't seem to actually provide any benefit.

Isn?t the benefit that if he is traded the financial burden for the other team is much less? I know cap wise it makes no difference by that could help in a trade. (Obviously only if he waived the NTC).

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Isn't the benefit that if he is traded the financial burden for the other team is much less? I know cap wise it makes no difference by that could help in a trade. (Obviously only if he waived the NTC).

Well that's just front loading the deal, which generally happens even if a player isn't getting a good chunk of his contract in signing bonuses. Again, using Pasta's deal as an example they both start off with getting paid about $13mil before dropping to $9mil at the end.

Now, if Nylander got traded in the very last year of his deal after his signing bonus ($8mil) is paid then the team getting him is left with just a $1mil salary to pay. I guess that could be something but I mean that's a benefit 9 years from now and only if things aren't going well in Leafsland and as you said only if Nylander waives his NTC.

 

[Kaberle15]

That is fair, and once we swap John's next contract with the old Nylander or less, the Leafs even saved some Cap space.

Willy deserved this much more than Marner. He also is the best Playoff performer (in numbers) with the Leafs in the last playoffs, even out producing Matthews.

this will be a great deal in 2 years.

 

[Joe S.]

I think the important question is how do the leafs fit in mcdavid?s contract now.

 

[ZBBM]

It's a lot of money.  2023 Nylander is absolutely worth it.  2022 Nylander as a UFA is probably what he gets.

It will be interesting to see how the Leafs handle Marner.  He's eligible for an extension on July 1st and right now is having a "down" year.  His overall play is down but he's still on pace for 33G 88P right now.  It would be nice if his extension could come in between Matthews and Nylander and if the cap keeps going up that would be perfectly fine.

Management needs to toughen up when negotiations with Marner start. They want to build a winner they need to address the D. Marner has been paid very well last few years for a playoff no show. He doesn't deserve more than Willy as things stand now so if anything you bump him up to Willy's contract at most. If he doesn't like it then try shipping him off. With his contract and JT coming off the cap you got tons of money to sign some D and possibly a net minder to share the net with Woll. Build around 34 & 88.

The playoff no-shows terrifies me. You cannot have superstars who disappear when it matters. If he doesn't have a good playoff I would start planning a future without 16.

The playoff no-show is probably a bit of an unfair label.  He has 47 points in 50 games.  It's the goal scoring that is a problem.  His game is too reliant on set up and that gets hurt in the playoffs and teams can stick closer to Matthews and take away his space because Marner won't shoot.

He also needs to figure out how to north-south his skills more.

 

[Frank E]

I think the important question is how do the leafs fit in mcdavid?s contract now.

The good old hometown discount that the Leafs always totally get guys like him to take.

If Nylander can be a 40 goal guy for the next 5 years, then sure all good and everything...but man, they're really going to have to develop some prospects to be able to insert into the lineup to fill out this roster moving forward.

But now that he has his new deal, can they talk him into playing 2C for a good while? 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

But now that he has his new deal, can they talk him into playing 2C for a good while

I don't get the feeling that it's him they need to convince.

 

[ZBBM]

But now that he has his new deal, can they talk him into playing 2C for a good while

I don't get the feeling that it's him they need to convince.

Coach Boucher will unstick that wicket.

 

[dappleganger]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1744407635254771754

Another small minor complaint, I wish the massive signing bonuses the Leafs are able to put into these deals actually came with a positive trade-off for the team (i.e. through convincing a player to take a AAV hit). Pasta's deal, in comparison, contained only $26.5mil in signing bonuses. It's like the one advantage that a team like the Leafs have over the vast majority of the league but it doesn't seem to actually provide any benefit.

Yep. Leafs have to give the moon to get players to stay.

 

[cw]

Maybe now he can settle down and start playing decently ...

 

[cabber24]

It's a lot of money.  2023 Nylander is absolutely worth it.  2022 Nylander as a UFA is probably what he gets.

It will be interesting to see how the Leafs handle Marner.  He's eligible for an extension on July 1st and right now is having a "down" year.  His overall play is down but he's still on pace for 33G 88P right now.  It would be nice if his extension could come in between Matthews and Nylander and if the cap keeps going up that would be perfectly fine.

Management needs to toughen up when negotiations with Marner start. They want to build a winner they need to address the D. Marner has been paid very well last few years for a playoff no show. He doesn't deserve more than Willy as things stand now so if anything you bump him up to Willy's contract at most. If he doesn't like it then try shipping him off. With his contract and JT coming off the cap you got tons of money to sign some D and possibly a net minder to share the net with Woll. Build around 34 & 88.

The playoff no-shows terrifies me. You cannot have superstars who disappear when it matters. If he doesn't have a good playoff I would start planning a future without 16.

The playoff no-show is probably a bit of an unfair label.  He has 47 points in 50 games.  It's the goal scoring that is a problem.  His game is too reliant on set up and that gets hurt in the playoffs and teams can stick closer to Matthews and take away his space because Marner won't shoot.

We have all watched him in the playoffs and know that he hasn't been there when we needed him the most. Not, to the level we have become accustomed to. Hopefully, this year will be different.