maplesyrup
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Nik? said:
Um, never mind. I give up. No point in going on with this.
Parise to Minnesota
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Um, never mind. I give up. No point in going on with this.
Kin
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So yeah, to conclude, I mean I'm as surprised as anyone about this. I'd have thought Perry or Sedin or Ovechkin would have numbers that knocked Parise out of the park. As is though...man, it's entirely possible that Parise was undervalued here, as strange as that is to consider.
Beowulf
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Yeah on the open market I'm not surprised nor do I think it's much of if any of an overpayment that Parise got the money he did. The guy is a beast when I've watched him play.
Suter on the other hand? Just the opposite. I haven't seen him play close to as much so I really can't give an accurate judgement. While statistically he strikes me as more of a one dimensional offensive defenseman who is not at all physical, everything I've read on him thus far indicates he's a very strong two way player. So what do I know really, maybe he is worth that cap hit and term.
Suter on the other hand? Just the opposite. I haven't seen him play close to as much so I really can't give an accurate judgement. While statistically he strikes me as more of a one dimensional offensive defenseman who is not at all physical, everything I've read on him thus far indicates he's a very strong two way player. So what do I know really, maybe he is worth that cap hit and term.
bustaheims
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Nik? said:
Missing most of 10/11 with an injury and playing for Devils have had some impact on the way people see him. He doesn't get the prime exposure that he would playing elsewhere. He's a franchise calibre guy. I have no doubts about that.
bustaheims
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Sgt said:
Parise can absolute do the same, and is much more willing to try to go through you than Kovalchuk has been. He may not be as big, but he's just a tough, if not more. I'd say Parise if tougher to play against.
Kin
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Beowulf said:
You know I sort of had the same reaction at first but, funnily enough, the thing that sort of sold me on Suter is that his offensive numbers aren't really good enough to generate this fuss. I mean, they're kind of latter-career Tomas Kaberle kind of offensive numbers and nobody was going to call him a Norris contender recently.
So there has to be something else there, right? One thing that I think will be interesting is that as hockey fans we seem to be able to take a forward's play and read his linemates into his statline but we're not quite there yet with defensemen. It'll be interesting to see if Suter's really that good or if maybe he was just the perfect partner for Weber.
bustaheims
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Deebo said:
Ugly is being generous.
Kin
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Deebo said:
Well, it's very young anyway. But they've drafted four defensemen in the first round the last five years and some of those guys are cracking the line-up. Still, it'll definitely give Suter a ton of responsibility early on.
Although, that said, I have to assume this means Heatley's going to get shopped pretty hard for some help there.
Beowulf
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Nik? said:
Yeah it certainly will be interesting to see how he performs without Weber and vice versa tbh.
Fwiw I kept reading in various articles how Suter has this bomb from the point, and then I looked at his goal totals and was a bit puzzled. Then it dawned on me who his partner was, and who got setup for the point shot on the PP particularly and it made a lot more sense.
maplesyrup
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bustaheims said:
Parise does have heart and is far from "soft" but honestly, I don't see it. When Kovalchuk plays in a bad mood (granted, he doesn't always) he's as dangerous a forward there is in the league.
Bullfrog
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Ok, that made me laugh. (I don't agree though)
I think Kovalchuk gets an unfair rap for his competitiveness. In the games I've seen him play, I've never seen him float.
Between the two, and based on their recent years, I'd pick Parise for sure, but I don't think the gap would be too significant.
I think Kovalchuk gets an unfair rap for his competitiveness. In the games I've seen him play, I've never seen him float.
Between the two, and based on their recent years, I'd pick Parise for sure, but I don't think the gap would be too significant.
bustaheims
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Sgt said:
Sure, but, let's be honest, that's a rarity. What Kovalchuk really has on Parise is his release/shot. He may be the best in the league in getting off hard, accurate shots. But, even with that, his play has lead to roughly the same amount of offence as Parise and he's not as good an all around player as Parise.