Quick gets 10 years in LA.

[Kin]

That's true, but, goalies tend to be more volatile than players in other positions. He may be able to play for another 10 years, but, will be be worth his contract for another 10 years?

You know, you say that, but then why not follow that out to it's logical conclusion. If goaltenders are kind of inherently volatile these days then it seems to follow that no matter what a team does they're going to have something of a question mark in goal. If that's the case then what should a team's objective be with regards to the goaltending position? The way that I see it a team would want to have a guy who, in his good years, is good enough to win. Quick has not only shown that, he's shown that in his best year he's good enough to win when the team around him isn't very good.

To me that is about as valuable as a goalie gets these days. If we accept as a premise that the days of a goalie being very good year in and out are largely over then isn't taking a long term bet on a guy you know can be good enough better than cheaping out and be in a position like the Leafs where they're looking around for someone who might be good enough.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'd likely lock him up to a similar deal too but I'd do that knowing the possibility exists it could easily turn sour on me. We're seeing it now. 

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

He plays a really interesting style, probably the most naturally flexible and athletic goalie I've ever seen. 

I wonder if his groin holds up for another ten years of split saves.

 

[Bonsixx]

Sure, but you can say that about any player at any time. No one can predict the future, but betting on a guy like Quick to stay healthy and play for another ten years is pretty safe by NHL standards.

That's true, but, goalies tend to be more volatile than players in other positions. He may be able to play for another 10 years, but, will be be worth his contract for another 10 years?

We've truly reached a whole new level of nit-picking when a Leafs fan, who hasn't seen a decent goalie in nearly a decade, can find fault with a new contract for a Stanley Cup/Conn Smythe-winning/Vezina-finalist goaltender.

 

[bustaheims]

We've truly reached a whole new level of nit-picking when a Leafs fan, who hasn't seen a decent goalie in nearly a decade, can find fault with a new contract for a Stanley Cup/Conn Smythe-winning/Vezina-finalist goaltender.

Honestly, it has nothing to do with the Leafs. Given the unpredictability of goaltending we've seen post-lockout, I question whether it's a wise to decision to give any goalie with a short track record a contract that's longer than 3 seasons.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Sure, but you can say that about any player at any time. No one can predict the future, but betting on a guy like Quick to stay healthy and play for another ten years is pretty safe by NHL standards.

That's true, but, goalies tend to be more volatile than players in other positions. He may be able to play for another 10 years, but, will be be worth his contract for another 10 years?

We've truly reached a whole new level of nit-picking when a Leafs fan, who hasn't seen a decent goalie in nearly a decade, can find fault with a new contract for a Stanley Cup/Conn Smythe-winning/Vezina-finalist goaltender.

Yeah, in this day and age the best players in any position are getting these types of contracts. Unless a cap comes in on contract lengths, which I extremely doubt we'll see in this round of CBA talks, it's just something teams will have to live with.

 

[Bonsixx]

Sure, but you can say that about any player at any time. No one can predict the future, but betting on a guy like Quick to stay healthy and play for another ten years is pretty safe by NHL standards.

That's true, but, goalies tend to be more volatile than players in other positions. He may be able to play for another 10 years, but, will be be worth his contract for another 10 years?

We've truly reached a whole new level of nit-picking when a Leafs fan, who hasn't seen a decent goalie in nearly a decade, can find fault with a new contract for a Stanley Cup/Conn Smythe-winning/Vezina-finalist goaltender.

Yeah, in this day and age the best players in any position are getting these types of contracts. Unless a cap comes in on contract lengths, which I extremely doubt we'll see in this round of CBA talks, it's just something teams will have to live with.

The worst part is all these teams who have signed these deals, while Burke has been saying, "It'll come back to haunt them." will probably never have anything come back to haunt them.

But at least Brian stuck to his guns, dangit!

 

[bustaheims]

The worst part is all these teams who have signed these deals, while Burke has been saying, "It'll come back to haunt them." will probably never have anything come back to haunt them.

But at least Brian stuck to his guns, dangit!

One could argue that the 12 year contract Vancouver gave Luongo is currently coming back to haunt them.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Has Burke been saying it will come back to haunt teams?  I thought he just didn't like long contracts that he thinks are cap-circumventing.

 

[seahawk]

TSNBobMcKenzie: I see where others are reporting $58M as total value of Quick deal and that appears to be correct. Next on the tee: Carey Price.

Nope. Next on the tee is Corey Schneider. Reports out of Van City say agreement in principle reached. 3 years x 4 mil.

Tim Wharnsby ‏@WharnsbyCBC
According to tweets from #Canucks season-ticket holders function 2night, Gillis reports Schneider has agreed in principle to new deal.

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Canucks have agreed in principle to three-year deal worth $12 million for Cory Schneider

 

[Capn_Crunch]

Bernier won't be content to be a backup for too long.

He'll be traded at some point in the next 12 months.

I for one hope that BB pokes about and keeps that iron in the fire. I wouldn't mind seing Bernier in Leafland.

 

[Corn Flake]

Bernier won't be content to be a backup for too long.

He'll be traded at some point in the next 12 months.

I for one hope that BB pokes about and keeps that iron in the fire. I wouldn't mind seing Bernier in Leafland.

If he went this way he's just adding a 3rd guy to the Reimer/Scrivens mix of good young goalies that we know really little about how they can handle the #1 job.  Reimer arguably has proven more than Bernier. 

Goalies are so fickle you can get a guy who has all the tools but it doesn't come together.  So with no proof he can be better than Reimer, why bother?

 

[Capn_Crunch]

Bernier won't be content to be a backup for too long.

He'll be traded at some point in the next 12 months.

I for one hope that BB pokes about and keeps that iron in the fire. I wouldn't mind seing Bernier in Leafland.

If he went this way he's just adding a 3rd guy to the Reimer/Scrivens mix of good young goalies that we know really little about how they can handle the #1 job.  Reimer arguably has proven more than Bernier. 

Goalies are so fickle you can get a guy who has all the tools but it doesn't come together.  So with no proof he can be better than Reimer, why bother?

Competition is good for the soul, Personally i think that Bernier would push not just Reims but himself as well even harder. He's not going to want to stay as a backup, so that also lowers his value a bit as he will want out of LA soon. If we can swing him for a reasonable deal... i don't see why he wouldn't be a good piece of the overall puzzle. The only reason he didn't get more games in LA is because Quick is just that damn good.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Going for a guy like Bernier would be really silly at this point.

 

[ZBBM]

Bernier won't be content to be a backup for too long.

He'll be traded at some point in the next 12 months.

I for one hope that BB pokes about and keeps that iron in the fire. I wouldn't mind seing Bernier in Leafland.

If he went this way he's just adding a 3rd guy to the Reimer/Scrivens mix of good young goalies that we know really little about how they can handle the #1 job.  Reimer arguably has proven more than Bernier. 

Goalies are so fickle you can get a guy who has all the tools but it doesn't come together.  So with no proof he can be better than Reimer, why bother?

Competition is good for the soul, Personally i think that Bernier would push not just Reims but himself as well even harder. He's not going to want to stay as a backup, so that also lowers his value a bit as he will want out of LA soon. If we can swing him for a reasonable deal... i don't see why he wouldn't be a good piece of the overall puzzle. The only reason he didn't get more games in LA is because Quick is just that damn good.

I agree CC.  Burke should at least keep the possibility open if he doesn't sign Luongo or some other vet.

 

[Capn_Crunch]

Going for a guy like Bernier would be really silly at this point.

The only way it is a silly idea is if we have a slam dunk goalie prospect... which at this point we are sadly lacking. We have some with promise... but nothing that says he is a guaranteed starter at some point in the immediate future. Also there is a difference between being the starter out of necessity and actually winning the job hands down. We don't have anyone who has outright proved he belongs here long term imho. Flashes of greatness followed by some weak performances at best doesn't make me think we don't need help on the back end. I would rather trade for Bernier then give up a huge package for Bobby Lou's contract and ability to choke when it matters the most.

 

[Bonsixx]

Going for a guy like Bernier would be really silly at this point.

So we don't want a veteran with a brutal contract and we don't want a highly-regarded kid who is stuck behind an all-star.

Reimer and Scrivens it is!

 

[Bonsixx]

Has Burke been saying it will come back to haunt teams?  I thought he just didn't like long contracts that he thinks are cap-circumventing.

Without digging up quotes, I'm pretty sure he's said on more than one occasion that teams were going to regret long-term contracts and the Leafs would basically be sitting there laughing at them all.

Obviously not a direct quote, but the general gist of it is there.

 

[bustaheims]

So we don't want a veteran with a brutal contract and we don't want a highly-regarded kid who is stuck behind an all-star.

Reimer and Scrivens it is!

Well, in reality, it's more like not wanting to give up the kind of assets that LA will likely be looking for to acquire an unproven young goalie who is statistically similar to Reimer just because he's highly touted.

 

[princedpw]

That's a spicy meatball. He's still a pretty young guy though, so he could actually play through the entirety of this contract and then some. That can't be said for most of the other long term mega deals that have been handed out since the new CBA.

Exactly. This isn't in the Luongo end of the spectrum. Quick playing at 36 is actually kind of likely.

I don't know. 8 years from now is a loooooong time.  There's plenty of opportunity for his career to flame out by then. It may not be "likely" but we'll see.

Sure, but you can say that about any player at any time. No one can predict the future, but betting on a guy like Quick to stay healthy and play for another ten years is pretty safe by NHL standards.

Signing anybody to a 10-year contract is a pretty big risk.  Some of these advanced stats guys don't seem to believe that any goalie is worth that much money -- they just dont make as much of a predictable difference these days. 

Bryz was talk of the town last year and he has flamed out pretty bad this year. According to TSN, Quick's career save percentage is .916.  Bryz's is .915 - essentially indistinguishable (Bobrovski was at .915 in 2010-11). Cam Ward had a big run but now his carreer save percentage sits at only a mediocre .910 and probably isn't worth it.  Ryan Miller was God for at least a year, got a big contract and now his carreer save percentage sits at .915 (last year he was at .915).  Those numbers used to be almost Hasek-like but these days the top guys are hitting .930-.940.... It seems like the defensive strategy must have quite an impact ....

All I'm saying is that it is risky and figuring out who is good now, who will be good later, who is benefitting from an impenetrable D and who is just lucky seems impossible ... At least for me.