Quick gets 10 years in LA.

[Bonsixx]

So we don't want a veteran with a brutal contract and we don't want a highly-regarded kid who is stuck behind an all-star.

Reimer and Scrivens it is!

Well, in reality, it's more like not wanting to give up the kind of assets that LA will likely be looking for to acquire an unproven young goalie who is statistically similar to Reimer just because he's highly touted.

Two years ago at the Worlds, Reimer was the starter and he won every game he played, despite letting in a couple of brutal goals. Bernier became available and this year's coach of the year immediately put him in over Reimer.

Yes, they lost, but whatever. Hitchcock picked Bernier as soon as he got there.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I'm not buying for a second the notion that Bernier is a significant upgrade over either Reimer OR Scrivens.

 

[bustaheims]

Two years ago at the Worlds, Reimer was the starter and he won every game he played, despite letting in a couple of brutal goals. Bernier became available and this year's coach of the year immediately put him in over Reimer.

Yes, they lost, but whatever. Hitchcock picked Bernier as soon as he got there.

Well, that really only represents one coach's preference at the time and a fairly small sample size where Bernier and Reimer had virtually identical numbers.

 

[Tigger]

I'm not buying for a second the notion that Bernier is a significant upgrade over either Reimer OR Scrivens.

I haven't seen enough of him to say for sure but his stats don't suggest anything mind bending.

 

[hap_leaf]

I'm not buying for a second the notion that Bernier is a significant upgrade over either Reimer OR Scrivens.

I will agree as long as we are talking about a healthy Reimer.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm not buying for a second the notion that Bernier is a significant upgrade over either Reimer OR Scrivens.

I haven't seen enough of him to say for sure but his stats don't suggest anything mind bending.

Statistically speaking Bernier has the far better CHL and AHL resume. Like you said, his NHL stats don't look mind bending, but we're talking about a goalie who is used to getting the vast majority of his teams starts but is now forced to play two or three times a month. That's got to have some effect on his ability. I still think his potential is great than Reimer and Scrivens.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

It's being reported Bernier asked to be traded and they told him he would be when Quick's deal was signed.

Personally I'd stick with Reimer and Scrivens, the Kings are likely going to want a significant piece to trade him and I don't think he's an upgrade or enough of an upgrade to justify burning assets on him.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I wouldn't give them a significant piece.  If he's asked for a trade then they don't really have the leverage here.

 

[Frank E]

I wouldn't give them a significant piece.  If he's asked for a trade then they don't really have the leverage here.

I hear this argument a lot.  It's false.

The Leafs would be competing with x other teams making an offer.  It's really irrelevant that he wants to be moved.  In fact, I'd suggest a player that wants to be moved is more interesting to teams than one that wanted to stay...he wants an opportunity and has something to prove.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I wouldn't give them a significant piece.  If he's asked for a trade then they don't really have the leverage here.

I hear this argument a lot.  It's false.

The Leafs would be competing with x other teams making an offer.  It's really irrelevant that he wants to be moved.  In fact, I'd suggest a player that wants to be moved is more interesting to teams than one that wanted to stay...he wants an opportunity and has something to prove.

I hear this argument a lot.  It's false.

If I'm a GM, I'm not giving in to a significant piece for an unproven goalie who has asked to be traded.  If some other team wants to, great.  Otherwise I tell him what I'm willing to trade for him, and if he doesn't get anything better he can either not honour the request or he can trade him.  Works like a charm in NHL12.

 

[Frank E]

I wouldn't give them a significant piece.  If he's asked for a trade then they don't really have the leverage here.

I hear this argument a lot.  It's false.

The Leafs would be competing with x other teams making an offer.  It's really irrelevant that he wants to be moved.  In fact, I'd suggest a player that wants to be moved is more interesting to teams than one that wanted to stay...he wants an opportunity and has something to prove.

I hear this argument a lot.  It's false.

If I'm a GM, I'm not giving in to a significant piece for an unproven goalie who has asked to be traded.  If some other team wants to, great.  Otherwise I tell him what I'm willing to trade for him, and if he doesn't get anything better he can either not honour the request or he can trade him.  Works like a charm in NHL12.

Well, really you're talking about what his value is.  I'm just speaking to the argument that his value is diminished, or that LA would have to accept less than what they assessed his value at because he has asked to be moved...if indeed his has requested such. 

 

[Tigger]

I'm not buying for a second the notion that Bernier is a significant upgrade over either Reimer OR Scrivens.

I haven't seen enough of him to say for sure but his stats don't suggest anything mind bending.

Statistically speaking Bernier has the far better CHL and AHL resume. Like you said, his NHL stats don't look mind bending, but we're talking about a goalie who is used to getting the vast majority of his teams starts but is now forced to play two or three times a month. That's got to have some effect on his ability. I still think his potential is great than Reimer and Scrivens.

You could be right about that and I wouldn't be against getting him if the cost wasn't huge but it's tough for me to really say without some research.

I don't have a huge amount of faith in Reimer, fwiw, and Scrivens is relatively untested in the NHL so I'd be more inclined to get a proven starter than anything else ( duh ) but also not at any cost.

I don't see why the Kings would trade him right now, if he's reaaaaaally unhappy I guess but it seems premature to me.

 

[Madferret]

FWIW I consider Bernier an upgrade over Reimer. Scrivens still needs time in the minors - Burke / the Leafs would be wise to let him do his thing with the Marlies for a while.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

FWIW I consider Bernier an upgrade over Reimer. Scrivens still needs time in the minors - Burke / the Leafs would be wise to let him do his thing with the Marlies for a while.

You of course would be the authority on all three goalies of course.

 

[Madferret]

FWIW I consider Bernier an upgrade over Reimer. Scrivens still needs time in the minors - Burke / the Leafs would be wise to let him do his thing with the Marlies for a while.

You of course would be the authority on all three goalies of course.

I've been the mortician of Ottawa's goalie graveyard for years