Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[Kin]

MLSE should be very concerned with the Leafs recent history moving forward. In fact, it should be keeping Shanny up at night thinking about how he can avoid more of the same.

That's just meaningless nonsense. If you're looking to build something correctly you don't spend time obsessing over what doesn't work, you just move forward with what does.

 

[Redleaf]

MLSE should be very concerned with the Leafs recent history moving forward. In fact, it should be keeping Shanny up at night thinking about how he can avoid more of the same.

That's just meaningless nonsense. If you're looking to build something correctly you don't spend time obsessing over what doesn't work, you just move forward with what does.

I disagree. You learn from your mistakes and try not to repeat them. That's just common sense.

 

[mc]

A few thoughts ran through my mind which cancelled themselves out.

1) They are waiting to see which coaches get canned after the first round incase they would be  a fit with Toronto...that made sense....and then

2) That didnt make sense because they can still fire Randy and not make a announcement until first/second round is finished.

3) Because he hasn't been fired yet means: they like him, he will continue as coach. Or they are still evaluating.

4) They are waiting for the Raptors to finish their season before canning Randy. Which seems more plausible.

 

[Highlander]

Randy will not be canned until after the playoffs?The Big S as I will now refer to him will not do this during the playoffs?.nothing to do with the Raptors different league.

 

[Zee]

Randy will not be canned until after the playoffs?The Big S as I will now refer to him will not do this during the playoffs?.nothing to do with the Raptors different league.

The Big S.  I like it.

 

[bustaheims]

At this point I don't see Carlyle being fired. I think it would have been done by now to be fair to
Carlyle. I think he is back with a very short leash... Maybe he will get rid of a half dozen or so assistant coaches they have

It hasn't happened yet because Shanahan has respect for the league's wishes that teams not make that kind of announcement while there are playoff games going on. It will happen between series. Unless there's a guy who's available right now that they feel they absolutely need to get under contract immediately, there's really just no sense of urgency right now.

 

[TML fan]

Maybe they haven't finished scouting coaches yet?

 

[lamajama]

I think Shanahan is trying to sign Scott Neidermeyer and find a new brain for Pronger and sign him. Then we can remember why Carlyle was considered a coach.

 

[Redleaf]

At this point I don't see Carlyle being fired. I think it would have been done by now to be fair to
Carlyle. I think he is back with a very short leash... Maybe he will get rid of a half dozen or so assistant coaches they have

It hasn't happened yet because Shanahan has respect for the league's wishes that teams not make that kind of announcement while there are playoff games going on. It will happen between series. Unless there's a guy who's available right now that they feel they absolutely need to get under contract immediately, there's really just no sense of urgency right now.

You know we're going to hold you to that, right?

 

[L K]

At this point I don't see Carlyle being fired. I think it would have been done by now to be fair to
Carlyle. I think he is back with a very short leash... Maybe he will get rid of a half dozen or so assistant coaches they have

It hasn't happened yet because Shanahan has respect for the league's wishes that teams not make that kind of announcement while there are playoff games going on. It will happen between series. Unless there's a guy who's available right now that they feel they absolutely need to get under contract immediately, there's really just no sense of urgency right now.

You know we're going to hold you to that, right?

To be fair to Busta right off the bat, between series can mean any time along the playoff picture.  I think a more realistic statement is that he will fire him before the draft. The first round of the playoffs is an important timeline because teams that get upset in the 1st round might get fired for not going deep in the playoffs.  You would be doing a disservice to your team by not waiting to see which coaches get let go.  I mean, who knows, maybe Detroit goes crazy and fires Babcock.  How upset would you be if the Leafs just went out and signed Kevin Dineen and 2 weeks later Babcock was on the market?

 

[bustaheims]

You know we're going to hold you to that, right?

You'll notice I didn't say between which series.

 

[Bullfrog]

I generally agree with you guys. However, if the decision is to let him go and move in a different direction, I'd do it as the soonest opportunity (after first round.) Though it's obvious anyway, it explicitly let's the other coaches know there's an opening.

 

[Rebel_1812]

He got more out of Kadri then Wilson ever did.

My goodness. It's like time is linear.

Or a guy that tried to play a natural center on the wing was miss using him.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

How upset would you be if the Leafs just went out and signed Kevin Dineen and 2 weeks later Babcock was on the market?

My problem with this line of thinking is that there is absolutely no reason to have a replacement ready to go when the team fires Carlyle. That's how we ended up with Randy in the first place. If the team feels that he isn't the right coach for this team he needs to be relieved of his duties and then the search should start for his replacement.

 

[nutman]

How about Trots, and bring in Scott Stevens and Kirk Muller as his assistants . That group would take the lazy out of the leafs and put the drive into them.

 

[Kin]

My problem with this line of thinking is that there is absolutely no reason to have a replacement ready to go when the team fires Carlyle. That's how we ended up with Randy in the first place. If the team feels that he isn't the right coach for this team he needs to be relieved of his duties and then the search should start for his replacement.

Exactly. Regardless of when you hire the replacement I assume you want to have as long an interview time as possible. Or, at the very least, you want to give yourself the option of as much time as possible. If the decision has been made to fire Carlyle there's no point delaying it absent any league considerations.

 

[Zee]

I generally agree with you guys. However, if the decision is to let him go and move in a different direction, I'd do it as the soonest opportunity (after first round.) Though it's obvious anyway, it explicitly let's the other coaches know there's an opening.

I have to agree.  If they're not bringing Carlyle back, let it be known he's fired. That puts all coaches who might be interested in the job on notice.  They can take their time interviewing guys, they don't have to announce a replacement the day Carlyle is fired.    Wait until the end of the playoffs to announce a new coach as there might be some more guys available then as well.

 

[Redleaf]

I generally agree with you guys. However, if the decision is to let him go and move in a different direction, I'd do it as the soonest opportunity (after first round.) Though it's obvious anyway, it explicitly let's the other coaches know there's an opening.

I have to agree.  If they're not bringing Carlyle back, let it be known he's fired. That puts all coaches who might be interested in the job on notice.  They can take their time interviewing guys, they don't have to announce a replacement the day Carlyle is fired.    Wait until the end of the playoffs to announce a new coach as there might be some more guys available then as well.

That's why there is reason to believe that his imminent demise isn't a done deal just yet.

 

[Rebel_1812]

How about Trots, and bring in Scott Stevens and Kirk Muller as his assistants . That group would take the lazy out of the leafs and put the drive into them.

Then they will be criticized like carlyle about being abrasive with their players.

 

[nutman]

How about Trots, and bring in Scott Stevens and Kirk Muller as his assistants . That group would take the lazy out of the leafs and put the drive into them.

Then they will be criticized like carlyle about being abrasive with their players.

But I'll bet they bring a better system, and if I was a leaf at practice I wouldn't want Stevens getting pissed at me for being lazy. Not the way he can hit.