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Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

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CarltonTheBear said:
If the Leafs aren't one of the first teams to get those cameras installed use the cameras I'll be pretty disappointed. Busta I'm guessing you know a little more about them than I do since you follow basketball, is there a reason they aren't being used in the NHL right now?
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I don't follow basketball, so, really, all I know about these cameras is what I read on their website, which isn't much. My guess is they're not being used in the NHL right now because hockey players move at a much faster pace than basketball players or soccer players (another sport they're being used in). They probably need to find a way to help the cameras move more quickly to keep up.
 
bustaheims said:
I don't follow basketball, so, really, all I know about these cameras is what I read on their website, which isn't much. My guess is they're not being used in the NHL right now because hockey players move at a much faster pace than basketball players or soccer players (another sport they're being used in). They probably need to find a way to help the cameras move more quickly to keep up.
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My mistake. That explanation makes sense though. But the fact that the NHL can determine how fast a player is skating on the ice or how hard a slap shot is makes me think the technology should be there. Hopefully it's just a matter of time before they figure it out.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Well, if I was a GM I would want to scout a player to see how he scores his goals too. Is he creating his own chances or being set up by a superior linemate? Is he scoring goals off the rush or from in front of the net? Is he scoring most of his goals late in blowouts or are they when the game is close? He is lighting up inferior opponents or playing against tough competition?
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But is that not essentially what a Scout does now? Why bring in a guy to analyze those things you mentioned when your scouts are already paid to do just that.
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I would say you should do both if you can.  The other stats may be able to tell you things that your eyes may be unable to or may deceive you on.  If you have a player who maybe isn't scoring or showing up on the scoresheet when you scout him, you may be able to delve deeper into the underlying numbers and find a player having a very unlucky season (SH% can fluctuate on luck) or maybe being deployed in a way that your eyes didn't pick up.  It should complement traditional eye-sight viewing in my opinion.

Also things like this:

More recently, Corsi provided a good measure of how much Douglas Murray struggled last season; something that was probably obvious to anyone who watched him closely but wasn't really reflected in traditional measures like plus/minus.
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So I think it helps complement traditional stats and traditional scouting by giving just another layer. That's all.

Another great article that I pulled that quote from: http://www.fearthefin.com/2012/8/10/3232773/non-traditional-metrics-glossary-corsi
 
During the last 5 mins of the game, I am just wondering why Reilly, Kessel were on ice and other on defensive personel were on the ice. I totally blame Kessel for last nights loss
 
freer said:
During the last 5 mins of the game, I am just wondering why Reilly, Kessel were on ice and other on defensive personel were on the ice. I totally blame Kessel for last nights loss
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Probably because the Kessel line was the best line last night in terms of chances for versus chances against.  In fact, Rielly had the best ratio of the entire team last night.
 
Potvin29 said:
freer said:
During the last 5 mins of the game, I am just wondering why Reilly, Kessel were on ice and other on defensive personel were on the ice. I totally blame Kessel for last nights loss
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Probably because the Kessel line was the best line last night in terms of chances for versus chances against.  In fact, Rielly had the best ratio of the entire team last night.
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Kessel's line did not have any pts. Still Rielly is not a defensive defensmen either.
 
freer said:
Potvin29 said:
freer said:
During the last 5 mins of the game, I am just wondering why Reilly, Kessel were on ice and other on defensive personel were on the ice. I totally blame Kessel for last nights loss
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Probably because the Kessel line was the best line last night in terms of chances for versus chances against.  In fact, Rielly had the best ratio of the entire team last night.
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Kessel's line did not have any pts. Still Rielly is not a defensive defensmen either.
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Where did I mention points?  I clearly stated their line was the best line in terms of chances for/against, so they did better than all of the other lines/D at playing in Minnesota's end instead of their own end.
 
Potvin29 said:
freer said:
Potvin29 said:
freer said:
During the last 5 mins of the game, I am just wondering why Reilly, Kessel were on ice and other on defensive personel were on the ice. I totally blame Kessel for last nights loss
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Probably because the Kessel line was the best line last night in terms of chances for versus chances against.  In fact, Rielly had the best ratio of the entire team last night.
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Kessel's line did not have any pts. Still Rielly is not a defensive defensmen either.
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Where did I mention points?  I clearly stated their line was the best line in terms of chances for/against, so they did better than all of the other lines/D at playing in Minnesota's end instead of their own end.
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Ok, sorry if I mis-read the last comment. For me Kessel on the ice any time that defense is required scares the hell out of me. Just saying..
 
freer said:
During the last 5 mins of the game, I am just wondering why Reilly, Kessel were on ice and other on defensive personel were on the ice. I totally blame Kessel for last nights loss
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This kills me, it really does. I mean, who cares if you were outplayed for literally the entire game? It's all Kessel's fault.
 
TML fan said:
freer said:
During the last 5 mins of the game, I am just wondering why Reilly, Kessel were on ice and other on defensive personel were on the ice. I totally blame Kessel for last nights loss
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This kills me, it really does. I mean, who cares if you were outplayed for literally the entire game? It's all Kessel's fault.
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Maybe Kessel can be called the goat for last night's loss, but really, why could the Leafs not have won and thus avoid a shootout?  Sometimes it's that simple, yes.
 
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/11/19/5122214/how-toronto-scores

Very interesting read. This helps to understand why Carlyle does not care about being outshot or Leafs very high shooting percentage or Leafs insistance on quality shots. Out of 55 goals the Leafs scored 30 while 5 on 5. Of those 30 surprisingly very little came from situations such as dump-ins, the cycle game, hard-forechecking, going to the dirty areas, just putting shots on net, point shots, punching down etc. While "Goals Off The Rush" has generated an incredible 21 goals so far this year. WOW.

It is quite a long article, but worth reading
 
drummond said:
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/11/19/5122214/how-toronto-scores

Very interesting read. This helps to understand why Carlyle does not care about being outshot or Leafs very high shooting percentage or Leafs insistance on quality shots. Out of 55 goals the Leafs scored 30 while 5 on 5. Of those 30 surprisingly very little came from situations such as dump-ins, the cycle game, hard-forechecking, going to the dirty areas, just putting shots on net, point shots, punching down etc. While "Goals Off The Rush" has generated an incredible 21 goals so far this year. WOW.

It is quite a long article, but worth reading
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Definitely worth reading.  The stats didn't include last nights game, where, 4/5 goals came off the rush again.  Only Clarkson's wasn't off the rush (all video's I've found don't show if it was a dump in or cycle though). 

If anything, Clarkson is the type of player who will help us with goals off of dumpins, cycle, dirty goals, etc.  As he scores more, the stats will skew a little less from "off the rush goals" me thinks.   
 
The PPP contributors often get derided for "not watching the game" but they arguably watch it more in-depth than anyone not associated with a team officially.  They do some very interesting, well-researched work.  Even if you don't agree with their conclusions sometimes, they put effort into it that I couldn't imagine.
 
Potvin29 said:
The PPP contributors often get derided for "not watching the game" but they arguably watch it more in-depth than anyone not associated with a team officially.  They do some very interesting, well-researched work.  Even if you don't agree with their conclusions sometimes, they put effort into it that I couldn't imagine.
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Yup. I was actually interested in doing exactly what they did to see how many goals were scored off the rush because it seemed like a very large amount. General laziness got the best of me though.
 
It's an interesting read, but it's kind of lacking in context. I get that the Leafs are probably outliers when it comes to the amount they rely on goals off the rush, but, I also feel like the majority of even strength goals around the league come off the rush as well. Some comparison to other teams in the league, past Leaf teams, etc., would be useful here and give the post the context it needs.
 
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