Guilt Trip
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Stupid Rielly with a dumb play/giveaway. Freddie bails him out.
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herman said:Nylander has served up about 6 prime chances for his teammates so far tonight.
Oh come on, let's trade Willie!Hobbes said:herman said:Nylander has served up about 6 prime chances for his teammates so far tonight.
Yep...tonight and last night he's been lights out. This is the Willy I'd love to see every night. He's such a dynamic force when he's doing his thing.
No way man...it's not like he's Pablo Escobar.Highlander said:Oh come on, let's trade Willie!Hobbes said:herman said:Nylander has served up about 6 prime chances for his teammates so far tonight.
Yep...tonight and last night he's been lights out. This is the Willy I'd love to see every night. He's such a dynamic force when he's doing his thing.
Hobbes said:Yeah, they're both occasionally guilty of it too...Matthews in particular for the first 20 games of the season. He's been a lot more engaged both mentally and physically since (roughly) Keefe took over. Lots of players have that issue...that's what separates the Crosbys of the world from the rest of the chaff.herman said:Hobbes said:I get the narrative, but the issue with him has never been that he's incapable of playing a decent defensive game...only that periodically seems disinterested in doing so. Tonight and last night he's been great. The previous 2 or 3 games, not so much.
Haaaave you met Matthews and Marner?
I think if you were to take a page from Babcock's book and rank the Leafs' roster for "% of their shift that they are working their tails off" a guy like Hyman would be very near (or at) the top of that list. Willy would be in the bottom half if not bottom third based on his performance this season. I'm inclined to ignore last year completely from him due to the contract situation kind of messing up his whole season, but if you go back to 2017-18 I thought he was a much more consistent hard worker and helping to drive the line.
What a bomb on that one.Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Matthews' one-timer is looking MacInnisian.
herman said:Hobbes said:Yeah, they're both occasionally guilty of it too...Matthews in particular for the first 20 games of the season. He's been a lot more engaged both mentally and physically since (roughly) Keefe took over. Lots of players have that issue...that's what separates the Crosbys of the world from the rest of the chaff.herman said:Hobbes said:I get the narrative, but the issue with him has never been that he's incapable of playing a decent defensive game...only that periodically seems disinterested in doing so. Tonight and last night he's been great. The previous 2 or 3 games, not so much.
Haaaave you met Matthews and Marner?
I think if you were to take a page from Babcock's book and rank the Leafs' roster for "% of their shift that they are working their tails off" a guy like Hyman would be very near (or at) the top of that list. Willy would be in the bottom half if not bottom third based on his performance this season. I'm inclined to ignore last year completely from him due to the contract situation kind of messing up his whole season, but if you go back to 2017-18 I thought he was a much more consistent hard worker and helping to drive the line.
With all due respect, I think the media narrative is perhaps a bit too pervasive in that reading. Check Nylander's rates. He's one of the most consistent young players on this team. The only dip is him playing catch up after his contract situation for about two months. He didn't get results for the rest of the season but his underlying numbers were exactly what was expected and then some. His linemates had garbage shooting percentages so no one remembers anything Nylander accomplished.
You wanna see my little friend??? Probably notHobbes said:No way man...it's not like he's Pablo Escobar.Highlander said:Oh come on, let's trade Willie!Hobbes said:herman said:Nylander has served up about 6 prime chances for his teammates so far tonight.
Yep...tonight and last night he's been lights out. This is the Willy I'd love to see every night. He's such a dynamic force when he's doing his thing.
herman said:Hobbes said:Yeah, they're both occasionally guilty of it too...Matthews in particular for the first 20 games of the season. He's been a lot more engaged both mentally and physically since (roughly) Keefe took over. Lots of players have that issue...that's what separates the Crosbys of the world from the rest of the chaff.herman said:Hobbes said:I get the narrative, but the issue with him has never been that he's incapable of playing a decent defensive game...only that periodically seems disinterested in doing so. Tonight and last night he's been great. The previous 2 or 3 games, not so much.
Haaaave you met Matthews and Marner?
I think if you were to take a page from Babcock's book and rank the Leafs' roster for "% of their shift that they are working their tails off" a guy like Hyman would be very near (or at) the top of that list. Willy would be in the bottom half if not bottom third based on his performance this season. I'm inclined to ignore last year completely from him due to the contract situation kind of messing up his whole season, but if you go back to 2017-18 I thought he was a much more consistent hard worker and helping to drive the line.
With all due respect, I think the media narrative is perhaps a bit too pervasive in that reading. Check Nylander's rates. He's one of the most consistent young players on this team. The only dip is him playing catch up after his contract situation for about two months. He didn't get results for the rest of the season but his underlying numbers were exactly what was expected and then some. His linemates had garbage shooting percentages so no one remembers anything Nylander accomplished.
Hobbes said:It's pretty obvious that at least recently his coach wouldn't agree with you. His coach seemed to think that his ass needed stapling to the bench for about 30 minutes, and then another 60 minutes on 3rd line duty.
Are you really telling me that you don't think he's been significantly better in terms of effort and engagement in the last two games relative to the games prior to that? I'm not asking about what the fancy stats say, since those are also affected by what his line mates are doing...I'm asking about the eye test. Do you think Keefe was out of line in cutting his ice time?