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Ranking Prospects 2022-2023

Could we ever see a middle six like this?

Steves - Tavares - Jarnkrok
Robertson - Engvall - Nylander

And have a Kampf line take all the Dzone face offs? (Though I read once that Kampf really isn?t very good without Engvall at his side to push the puck down the ice.)
 
TLN: 5. Fraser Minten
I really wanted Owen Beck, but he got scooped by Montreal* before making it to 38, so the Leafs ended up getting the WHL version in Fraser Minten: defensively responsible centre with smarts, size, shooting, and skating but minimized offensive production due to deployment.

* they had a very good draft, so hurray for them in 4 years

PPP: 23. Joseph Woll
?\_(?)_/? please don't break
 
TLN: 4. Roni Hirvonen

He is so pesky and persistent and skilled enough to hurt you if you lose track of him. He?s mini Bunting.

PPP: 22. Ryan Tverberg

Similar to Brandon Lisowsky, our most recent 7th rd pick, he has a some standout characteristics that have led to production (he plays like a wrecking ball and will sow chaos for maybe points). There are things to develop to round out his game.
 
TLN: 3. Topi Niemel?

There aren?t really many (or any) two-way RHD in our system (Villenueve might be getting there, but he?s developing from the opposite direction ? adding defense to his offense). Probably going to see him in Toronto after this season.

PPP: 21. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev

Dropping down the rankings because he?s an offensively exciting but lacking size, speed, and visible demonstration of being NHL ready in D+4. He was extremely young when drafted, he is sort of growing taller (not really thicker). While generally reliable off the puck and pretty compelling with it, he just has a lot of the hallmarks of a tweener prospect if he doesn?t start standing out more at the minor league level.
 
I like SDA and don't totally agree with the assessment. I think he's got good speed and while he's not NHL ready he has only played 1 pro season. He'll just be turning 22 in Sept. It will be interesting to see how he does this coming season for the Marlies.
 
Guilt Trip said:
I like SDA and don't totally agree with the assessment. I think he's got good speed and while he's not NHL ready he has only played 1 pro season. He'll just be turning 22 in Sept. It will be interesting to see how he does this coming season for the Marlies.
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I think that?s all true and it?s a real caveat, but if his play style is top-6, there either needs to be overwhelming offense, or some grit and grind that?ll help them weather top defenses so they can contribute complementarily. Otherwise you are in the Adam Brooks, Seth Griffith range. I don?t see a legitimate fit for him in the bottom of the roster where opportunities are actually open.

Happy to be surprised and wrong though
 
herman said:
Guilt Trip said:
I like SDA and don't totally agree with the assessment. I think he's got good speed and while he's not NHL ready he has only played 1 pro season. He'll just be turning 22 in Sept. It will be interesting to see how he does this coming season for the Marlies.
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I think that?s all true and it?s a real caveat, but if his play style is top-6, there either needs to be overwhelming offense, or some grit and grind that?ll help them weather top defenses so they can contribute complementarily. Otherwise you are in the Adam Brooks, Seth Griffith range. I don?t see a legitimate fit for him in the bottom of the roster where opportunities are actually open.

Happy to be surprised and wrong though
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I think Robertson is another "top 6 or bust" kind of player.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
I think Robertson is another "top 6 or bust" kind of player.
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I largely agree with that. If he improves his skating posture and gooses his speed, his work rate could give him a Trevor Moore-like role. Coupled with his shooting ability, he?s an easier player to shelter and leverage than Der-Arguchintsev who needs lots of puck involvement to be useful.

I have Der-Arguchintsev in the same boat as Abramov, Abbruzzese, Miettinen, and Ovchinnikov; and to a lesser extent Joe Miller, Ty Voit, and Nick Moldenhauer due to their longer runways. All of them are shootier than SDA.
 
TLN: 2. Nick Robertson
He?s still good! The door is open for him to grab a spot opposite Nylander and a rejuvenated Tavares. Let?s see if he can channel his intensity into more calculated moments. And please don?t break.

PPP: 20. Mikhail Abramov
Let?s see if he can adjust to the AHL and find ways to dominate the game the way he did in the Q
 
herman said:
TLN: 2. Nick Robertson
He?s still good! The door is open for him to grab a spot opposite Nylander and a rejuvenated Tavares. Let?s see if he can channel his intensity into more calculated moments. And please don?t break.

PPP: 20. Mikhail Abramov
Let?s see if he can adjust to the AHL and find ways to dominate the game the way he did in the Q
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Absolutely the kid is still good. I laugh at people who think he's in a make or break season. I found this interesting....
His brother never became a full time NHLer until he was 21and he played 51 games that season.
Jason played 60 AHL games had 25 Goals, 47pts. He also played a full 4 years in the OHL. Nick has played 49 AHL games has 21 Goals, 44pts. He only had 3 years in the OHL. Nick was shut down by COVID and played in the A as an underage when he should have been sent back to the OHL. He's also had a couple of significant injuries.
Nick turns just 21 in September and for some people to expect him to make it this year or be a bust after all the setbacks is def shortsighted.
Liljegren never made it to the NHL until 22 and I realize D men take longer but we can't look past Nick's setbacks..
I think Nick will be on the Leafs at some point this season..
 
Guilt Trip said:
Absolutely the kid is still good. I laugh at people who think he's in a make or break season. I found this interesting....
His brother never became a full time NHLer until he was 21and he played 51 games that season.
Jason played 60 AHL games had 25 Goals, 47pts. He also played a full 4 years in the OHL. Nick has played 49 AHL games has 21 Goals, 44pts. He only had 3 years in the OHL. Nick was shut down by COVID and played in the A as an underage when he should have been sent back to the OHL. He's also had a couple of significant injuries.
Nick turns just 21 in September and for some people to expect him to make it this year or be a bust after all the setbacks is def shortsighted.
Liljegren never made it to the NHL until 22 and I realize D men take longer but we can't look past Nick's setbacks..
I think Nick will be on the Leafs at some point this season..
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While I don't think this is a make or break season for Robertson, I do think he has to have an injury free, successful season in the AHL in the least to shed that premature "bust" moniker that seems to be following him around.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Guilt Trip said:
Absolutely the kid is still good. I laugh at people who think he's in a make or break season. I found this interesting....
His brother never became a full time NHLer until he was 21and he played 51 games that season.
Jason played 60 AHL games had 25 Goals, 47pts. He also played a full 4 years in the OHL. Nick has played 49 AHL games has 21 Goals, 44pts. He only had 3 years in the OHL. Nick was shut down by COVID and played in the A as an underage when he should have been sent back to the OHL. He's also had a couple of significant injuries.
Nick turns just 21 in September and for some people to expect him to make it this year or be a bust after all the setbacks is def shortsighted.
Liljegren never made it to the NHL until 22 and I realize D men take longer but we can't look past Nick's setbacks..
I think Nick will be on the Leafs at some point this season..
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While I don't think this is a make or break season for Robertson, I do think he has to have an injury free, successful season in the AHL in the least to shed that premature "bust" moniker that seems to be following him around.
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Injury free would be really good for him. Hope the best for him
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Guilt Trip said:
Absolutely the kid is still good. I laugh at people who think he's in a make or break season. I found this interesting....
His brother never became a full time NHLer until he was 21and he played 51 games that season.
Jason played 60 AHL games had 25 Goals, 47pts. He also played a full 4 years in the OHL. Nick has played 49 AHL games has 21 Goals, 44pts. He only had 3 years in the OHL. Nick was shut down by COVID and played in the A as an underage when he should have been sent back to the OHL. He's also had a couple of significant injuries.
Nick turns just 21 in September and for some people to expect him to make it this year or be a bust after all the setbacks is def shortsighted.
Liljegren never made it to the NHL until 22 and I realize D men take longer but we can't look past Nick's setbacks..
I think Nick will be on the Leafs at some point this season..
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While I don't think this is a make or break season for Robertson, I do think he has to have an injury free, successful season in the AHL in the least to shed that premature "bust" moniker that seems to be following him around.
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For sure, he really needs that full season for his development. Has to be more slippery given that he's a smaller player.
 
TLN: 1. Matthew Knies

Even if his offensive creativity doesn?t develop, you can easily pencil him into the bottom 6 as a forechecking menace. His floor is an NHL player. Obviously we?d like for him to become more than just an energy winger and hopefully he doesn?t settle into tunnel vision.
 
Frank E said:
I'm thinking that the 3A in 5 games wasn't the tournament that Knies was hoping to have.
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I try not to put too much stock in this tournament anymore.  Jerry D'Amigo ruined it for me.
 
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