Tank Nation UNITE!!!

[CarltonTheBear]

It frightens me that even if the Leafs miraculously finish as low as the 3rd worst record, there's a greater chance of any one of the 5 best teams that failed to make the playoffs winning the lottery (cumulative 12.0% chance) than of the Leafs winning it (11.5% chance).

Everybody knows that the lottery winner will be whatever position the Leafs vacate on the final day of the season.

 

[Kin]

The draft lottery simulator scares me. Imagine if a team like LA, San Jose, Ottawa, or Philadelphia wins it.

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about those teams being potential lottery winners, even if their odds are incredibly low. I do think that the worst teams should be the ones to pick first. I know that they want to open it up to everyone to stop the problem of tanking, but having the lottery this way (and changing it even more next season) isn't going to start making teams like Buffalo try and get an extra few wins on the season. If they know that they don't have a chance in hell to make the playoffs then they'll still act the same way they have been and be perfectly fine with a team that loses games. This new lottery system doesn't stop the problem of tanking, it just won't reward teams that do it as often.

But that's sort of the point. Why reward teams for tanking at all? I mean, I agree that this is a half-measure but they should really almost weight it the other way, making it more likely for teams that put in an honest effort to be rewarded.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

The draft lottery simulator scares me. Imagine if a team like LA, San Jose, Ottawa, or Philadelphia wins it.

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about those teams being potential lottery winners, even if their odds are incredibly low. I do think that the worst teams should be the ones to pick first. I know that they want to open it up to everyone to stop the problem of tanking, but having the lottery this way (and changing it even more next season) isn't going to start making teams like Buffalo try and get an extra few wins on the season. If they know that they don't have a chance in hell to make the playoffs then they'll still act the same way they have been and be perfectly fine with a team that loses games. This new lottery system doesn't stop the problem of tanking, it just won't reward teams that do it as often.

But that's sort of the point. Why reward teams for tanking at all? I mean, I agree that this is a half-measure but they should really almost weight it the other way, making it more likely for teams that put in an honest effort to be rewarded.

I'm becoming more and more of a fan of every non-playoff team getting one ball in the drum.  Finish last and you're still guaranteed second pick, which ain't so bad either.

 

[Deebo]

The draft lottery simulator scares me. Imagine if a team like LA, San Jose, Ottawa, or Philadelphia wins it.

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about those teams being potential lottery winners, even if their odds are incredibly low. I do think that the worst teams should be the ones to pick first. I know that they want to open it up to everyone to stop the problem of tanking, but having the lottery this way (and changing it even more next season) isn't going to start making teams like Buffalo try and get an extra few wins on the season. If they know that they don't have a chance in hell to make the playoffs then they'll still act the same way they have been and be perfectly fine with a team that loses games. This new lottery system doesn't stop the problem of tanking, it just won't reward teams that do it as often.

But that's sort of the point. Why reward teams for tanking at all? I mean, I agree that this is a half-measure but they should really almost weight it the other way, making it more likely for teams that put in an honest effort to be rewarded.

I'm becoming more and more of a fan of every non-playoff team getting one ball in the drum.  Finish last and you're still guaranteed second pick, which ain't so bad either.

Last place won't be guaranteed then second pick starting next year. The first 3 picks will be determined by lottery.

I'd like to see all non-playoff teams getting one ball each and the order they are drawn in is the draft order.

 

[Al14]

The draft lottery simulator scares me. Imagine if a team like LA, San Jose, Ottawa, or Philadelphia wins it.

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about those teams being potential lottery winners, even if their odds are incredibly low. I do think that the worst teams should be the ones to pick first. I know that they want to open it up to everyone to stop the problem of tanking, but having the lottery this way (and changing it even more next season) isn't going to start making teams like Buffalo try and get an extra few wins on the season. If they know that they don't have a chance in hell to make the playoffs then they'll still act the same way they have been and be perfectly fine with a team that loses games. This new lottery system doesn't stop the problem of tanking, it just won't reward teams that do it as often.

But that's sort of the point. Why reward teams for tanking at all? I mean, I agree that this is a half-measure but they should really almost weight it the other way, making it more likely for teams that put in an honest effort to be rewarded.

I'm becoming more and more of a fan of every non-playoff team getting one ball in the drum.  Finish last and you're still guaranteed second pick, which ain't so bad either.

Last place won't be guaranteed then second pick starting next year. The first 3 picks will be determined by lottery.

I'd like to see all non-playoff teams getting one ball each and the order they are drawn in is the draft order.

I'd also like it to be done in public, so no FIXING takes place!  Although, just for this draft, please fix it for McDavid to the Leafs. 

 

[Highlander]

Agreed just one time oh lord and thank god Bargnagi is a basketball player.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Big win by the Blue Jackets over the wings tonight! 

 

[Highlander]

Yahoo!

 

[slapshot]

The draft lottery simulator scares me. Imagine if a team like LA, San Jose, Ottawa, or Philadelphia wins it.

I'd sooner west coast than east, if the Leafs don't get him.

 

[slapshot]

The draft lottery simulator scares me. Imagine if a team like LA, San Jose, Ottawa, or Philadelphia wins it.

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about those teams being potential lottery winners, even if their odds are incredibly low. I do think that the worst teams should be the ones to pick first. I know that they want to open it up to everyone to stop the problem of tanking, but having the lottery this way (and changing it even more next season) isn't going to start making teams like Buffalo try and get an extra few wins on the season. If they know that they don't have a chance in hell to make the playoffs then they'll still act the same way they have been and be perfectly fine with a team that loses games. This new lottery system doesn't stop the problem of tanking, it just won't reward teams that do it as often.

But that's sort of the point. Why reward teams for tanking at all? I mean, I agree that this is a half-measure but they should really almost weight it the other way, making it more likely for teams that put in an honest effort to be rewarded.

I'm becoming more and more of a fan of every non-playoff team getting one ball in the drum.  Finish last and you're still guaranteed second pick, which ain't so bad either.

Not many years when you have a player the calibre of McDavid available. So either way, it probably won't be as dramatic most years.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Big win by the Blue Jackets over the wings tonight! 

And they just beat the Oilers tonight in a shootout.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Big win by the Blue Jackets over the wings tonight! 

 

Too bad it wasn't in OT instead of the SO... would hate to drop a spot due to ROWs.

And they just beat the Oilers tonight in a shootout.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Big win by the Blue Jackets over the wings tonight! 

And they just beat the Oilers tonight in a shootout.

I'm going to have to grab some sharpies and an old t-shirt and make a Carolina jersey for tomorrow night.

 

[moon111]

Before my union meeting yesterday, we were talking about Connor McDavid.  Would more money be made if he went to Arizona or Toronto?  The talk that he would fill the stands in Arizona v.s. higher TV ratings and merchandise sales in Canada.

 

[brothert]

woke up thinking about the time jason allison played for the leafs. the guy could score but was so .... lazy that the other team would get an odd man rush until he could get his ass back over the blue line for about 30 seconds. people used to point out how many points he contributed (60) but i would always point out that his plus minus was (-18). now i look at the +/- of bozak, kessel and jvr and my head explodes. i hate all 3 of them. please end it soon... ...

 

[TDotMassive]

woke up thinking about the time jason allison played for the leafs. the guy could score but was so .... lazy that the other team would get an odd man rush until he could get his ass back over the blue line for about 30 seconds. people used to point out how many points he contributed (60) but i would always point out that his plus minus was (-18). now i look at the +/- of bozak, kessel and jvr and my head explodes. i hate all 3 of them. please end it soon... ...

I think JVR has had his attitude poisoned by Kessel, Bozak and the rest of the sour core... he's a keeper though. Purge the rotten core and I think you will see a much different JVR.

 

[Chris]

I don't know if JVR is a keeper, at this point it's hard to tell. He has looked as bad as anyone on the team over the past 30-40 games.

By the way, congratulations are due to Phil Kessel, first to -30 for the Leafs. Barely beat out Bozak and JVR. Maybe he can make a run at -40...it's not 40 goals, but it's something.

 

[Peter D.]

Before my union meeting yesterday, we were talking about Connor McDavid.  Would more money be made if he went to Arizona or Toronto?  The talk that he would fill the stands in Arizona v.s. higher TV ratings and merchandise sales in Canada.

Jersey sales alone would come close to the ticket bump in Arizona.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Before my union meeting yesterday, we were talking about Connor McDavid.  Would more money be made if he went to Arizona or Toronto?  The talk that he would fill the stands in Arizona v.s. higher TV ratings and merchandise sales in Canada.

Jersey sales in the first 10 minutes would come close to the ticket bump in Arizona.

Fixed.

 

[L K]

I know Phoenix has had adversity behind their team for a lot of their time in Phoenix but it's just a bad setup overall.

Attendance percentage by year (asterisk = playoff year)
77.5%, 80.4%, 81.3%, 72.3%*, 71.2%*, 68.5%*, 85%, 84.7%, 85.6%

Sure, McDavid is going to add bums in the seats in Phoenix but I think the notion that Phoenix is going to be anything more than a half-empty arena along the same lines of Florida.  Pittsburgh wasn't saved because of Crosby.  They were saved because Crosby + new Arena + Lemieux allowed them to tap back in to a solid fanbase. 

And besides, the Leafs didn't increase ticket prices this year.  If they somehow win the draft lottery and draft McDavid you know full well that there will be some kind of absurd 15% increase across the board that would likely outdo Phoenix adding 2000 fans a night through their buy 1 get 7 with hotdogs, parking and 1 month of your condo fees getting paid off.

Mind you McDavid would immediately become an overrated bum if he was drafted by the Leafs so it's probably in his best interest that he goes elsewhere.