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The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

bustaheims said:
Sarge said:
Even then, I'm not sure I agree. Picks/Prospects (futures) acquired in a deal for Lupul could also be spun into something bigger in the off-season, right?
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Sure, but, that's putting too much focus on being able to make another trade that brings in an impact player. It's putting too much of your plans in the hands of someone outside your organization - and, that's just not a smart way to project things. You can't plan building your team around a trade you hope to make, because, that trade could very easily never materialize.
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Well, if you think you're getting enough bullets, I say do it anyway. Nevertheless, to you point, I wonder if Lupul gets you 35% of the way to Parise.
 
Sarge said:
Yeah, I gave the statement a "huh" myself for the grammar there but it has absolutely everything with ehat you said. You just don't need to trade Kessel if you trade Lupul.
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Terrific. Now feel free to quote where I said "If you trade Lupul, you need to trade Kessel too".
 
Sarge said:
Well, if you think you're getting enough bullets, I say do it anyway. Nevertheless, to you point, I wonder if Lupul gets you 35% of the way to Parise.
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I wouldn't be moving Lupul for an impending UFA. That's just poor asset management.
 
bustaheims said:
I guess, though, that depends very much on who/what comes in return and what other moves may have been made to lead up to it. For instance, if the Leafs bring in Bobby Ryan and then move Lupul or, if he moves Lupul as part of a package for Getzlaf (not that I expect either to happen), then I don't think that's moving towards a rebuild, but rather, it's a reallocation of cap dollars.
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Maybe, but even then(in particular the Ryan situation), I'd really question why you're moving Lupul in that situation anyway. I mean, how much better if Ryan going to be with Kessel than Lupul? If you're not starting a rebuild, why start with trading what might be the only thing going right for your team?
 
Saint Nik said:
Sarge said:
Yeah, I gave the statement a "huh" myself for the grammar there but it has absolutely everything with ehat you said. You just don't need to trade Kessel if you trade Lupul.
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Terrific. Now feel free to quote where I said "If you trade Lupul, you need to trade Kessel too".
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You said;

"may as well start looking into dealing Kessel."

... I disagree. Period.

 
Saint Nik said:
Maybe, but even then(in particular the Ryan situation), I'd really question why you're moving Lupul in that situation anyway. I mean, how much better if Ryan going to be with Kessel than Lupul? If you're not starting a rebuild, why start with trading what might be the only thing going right for your team?
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I agree, and I'm not really onboard with trading Lupul, unless it's in an offer the Leafs obviously can't refuse. I'm justing pointing out that there are scenarios where trading Lupul doesn't throw the Leafs back into rebuilding mode.
 
bustaheims said:
I agree, and I'm not really onboard with trading Lupul, unless it's in an offer the Leafs obviously can't refuse. I'm justing pointing out that there are scenarios where trading Lupul doesn't throw the Leafs back into rebuilding mode.
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Maybe, but those scenarios strike me as being pretty far-fetched. Or, to look at it another way, it just makes my point true in another sense. If Lupul can land you an awesome collection that can help you win now, why not look into what you could get for Kessel?
 
Saint Nik said:
bustaheims said:
I agree, and I'm not really onboard with trading Lupul, unless it's in an offer the Leafs obviously can't refuse. I'm justing pointing out that there are scenarios where trading Lupul doesn't throw the Leafs back into rebuilding mode.
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Maybe, but those scenarios strike me as being pretty far-fetched. Or, to look at it another way, it just makes my point true in another sense. If Lupul can land you an awesome collection that can help you win now, why not look into what you could get for Kessel?
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If they did it the right way, maybe we could have a playoff team in 2 -3 years.  But the way they are currently going about it, just seems like they are spinning their wheels and wasting our time. 
 
Saint Nik said:
Maybe, but those scenarios strike me as being pretty far-fetched. Or, to look at it another way, it just makes my point true in another sense. If Lupul can land you an awesome collection that can help you win now, why not look into what you could get for Kessel?
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Sure, but that's true about just about every single player in the league.
 
I dont know about you guys but I for one dont want to be a farm for the rest of the NHL any more. so trading kessel and Lupul as well as any of out guys just comming into there own has to stop. we have extra defence, and thats where with picks and prospects we deal from. not our core.
 
Sarge said:
Don't make it out to be... It's your quote, not mine.
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I really don't know how to explain the difference between "need to" and "may want to look into" to you.
 
Saint Nik said:
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Oh good. Don't then.
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Alright, but you seem to be struggling with it.
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Not really. It doesn't take a "rocket scientist" (as you say) to pull from my reply to you that I disagree with the notion of needing to trade Kessel AND looking into trading Kessel as a direct result of trading Lupul. 
 
Sarge said:
Not really. It doesn't take a "rocket scientist"(as you say)
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Actually, I said "rocket surgery". A humorous combination of the familiar rocket science/brain surgery idioms.

A minor point, sure, but it does kind of speak to the fact that you're not replying to what I'm actually saying.

Sarge said:
to pull from my reply to you that I disagree with the notion of needing to trade Kessel AND looking into trading Kessel as a direct result of trading Lupul.
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Well, disagreeing with the notion of needing to trade Kessel is disagreeing with something that nobody, I or anyone else, put forth.

Disagreeing with even the notion of looking into dealing Kessel, well, that's on you but it does follow the Lupul line of thinking.
 
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