The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

[maplesyrup]

Would anyone trade Schenn for Ruutu and a kicker?

Cold.day.in.hell.

Fair enough. I just have a feeling Rutherford is going to do very, very well in whatever deal he make with this player.

 

[Corn Flake]

Would anyone trade Schenn for Ruutu and a kicker?

Cold.day.in.hell.

Fair enough. I just have a feeling Rutherford is going to do very, very well in whatever deal he make with this player.

Maybe to a more veteran team looking for a guy to put them over the top.  Not a team like the Leafs, looking longer term.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I don't mind Ruutu but is he really a guy who's worth 4-5 mil a year for Toronto? I don't know.

Morrow seems a bit old for the Leafs set up frankly, I like him but he's probably better suited to a contender.

I wasn't sure if you caught that he is making $4.4 MIL this year and this next contract will be a UFA one which might inflate it.

I would prefer Ryan Clowe though.

I knew he was a 3.8 cap hit so it was more in reference to that, no way do I want Ruutu in Toronto with a hit much bigger than that, actually even that much bothers me, just doesn't make sense.

I'd prefer Clowe too but I'm sure he'd cost way more if SJ was even interested to start with.

Just got back to the office to see this:

"Burke would like Toronto to be more hard-nosed, especially up front.

A guy on the Leafs? radar could be San Jose W Ryane Clowe. He has a cap hit of $3.625 million through next season, but the word is he might be someone the Sharks are willing to part with before the deadline."

sniff*    (*tear of joy)

I like Bruce a bit more now because he mentioned a deal that I like.

 

[Zee]

I don't mind Ruutu but is he really a guy who's worth 4-5 mil a year for Toronto? I don't know.

Morrow seems a bit old for the Leafs set up frankly, I like him but he's probably better suited to a contender.

I wasn't sure if you caught that he is making $4.4 MIL this year and this next contract will be a UFA one which might inflate it.

I would prefer Ryan Clowe though.

I knew he was a 3.8 cap hit so it was more in reference to that, no way do I want Ruutu in Toronto with a hit much bigger than that, actually even that much bothers me, just doesn't make sense.

I'd prefer Clowe too but I'm sure he'd cost way more if SJ was even interested to start with.

Just got back to the office to see this:

"Burke would like Toronto to be more hard-nosed, especially up front.

A guy on the Leafs? radar could be San Jose W Ryane Clowe. He has a cap hit of $3.625 million through next season, but the word is he might be someone the Sharks are willing to part with before the deadline."

sniff*    (*tear of joy)

I like Bruce a bit more now because he mentioned a deal that I like.

What's with that article and "Everyone's waiting for Burke to make a move".  I guess the league really does revolve around Toronto.  LOL

 

[maplesyrup]

Would anyone trade Schenn for Ruutu and a kicker?

Cold.day.in.hell.

Fair enough. I just have a feeling Rutherford is going to do very, very well in whatever deal he make with this player.

Maybe to a more veteran team looking for a guy to put them over the top.  Not a team like the Leafs, looking longer term.

Of course, I'd want him re-signed... He's only 28.

 

[maplesyrup]

Just got back to the office to see this:

"Burke would like Toronto to be more hard-nosed, especially up front.

A guy on the Leafs? radar could be San Jose W Ryane Clowe. He has a cap hit of $3.625 million through next season, but the word is he might be someone the Sharks are willing to part with before the deadline."

sniff*    (*tear of joy)

I like Bruce a bit more now because he mentioned a deal that I like.

He's an fantastic player on a playoff team who signed him to a reasonable contract with term. - Do you honestly think they'd move him?  I don't.

 

[Britishbulldog]

What's with that article and "Everyone's waiting for Burke to make a move".  I guess the league really does revolve around Toronto.  LOL

;D

I kind of wondered about that as well.  I think that C Stewart on the RW would be a better fit for the 2nd line at this point though so hopefully someone will print or tweet that as well. 

I figure a Clowe trade would reflect the Nolan one of McCauley, Boyes and a 1st.  Young roster player, blue chip prospect and a 1st.

St. Louis was reported to be looking for another dman so Stewart at 5 years younger could probably be had for Schenn straight up (sorry Ruutu).

Lupul / Bozak / Kessel

Kulemin / Grabovski / Stewart

Kadri / Connolly / Armstrong

Lombardi? / Steckel / Brown

 

[Britishbulldog]

Just got back to the office to see this:

"Burke would like Toronto to be more hard-nosed, especially up front.

A guy on the Leafs? radar could be San Jose W Ryane Clowe. He has a cap hit of $3.625 million through next season, but the word is he might be someone the Sharks are willing to part with before the deadline."

sniff*    (*tear of joy)

I like Bruce a bit more now because he mentioned a deal that I like.

He's an fantastic player on a playoff team who signed him to a reasonable contract with term. - Do you honestly think they'd move him?  I don't.

You don't think so???  But Bruce says " the word is he might be someone the Sharks are willing to part with before the deadline."  Bruce said it!!  Doesn't that mean something....like a mound of potatoes on a table kind of something???

 

[maplesyrup]

Clowe/Stewart... Man, I just don't think guys like that are going to get moved.

 

[Zee]

Just got back to the office to see this:

"Burke would like Toronto to be more hard-nosed, especially up front.

A guy on the Leafs? radar could be San Jose W Ryane Clowe. He has a cap hit of $3.625 million through next season, but the word is he might be someone the Sharks are willing to part with before the deadline."

sniff*    (*tear of joy)

I like Bruce a bit more now because he mentioned a deal that I like.

He's an fantastic player on a playoff team who signed him to a reasonable contract with term. - Do you honestly think they'd move him?  I don't.

You don't think so???  But Bruce says " the word is he might be someone the Sharks are willing to part with before the deadline."  Bruce said it!!  Doesn't that mean something....like a mound of potatoes on a table kind of something???

If Garrioch said it then i'm on board. 

 

[Tigger]

Would anyone trade Schenn for Ruutu and a kicker?

Cold.day.in.hell.

Fair enough. I just have a feeling Rutherford is going to do very, very well in whatever deal he make with this player.

You could be right about that but they might be able to grab him for nothing next year and I'd rather see the Leafs risk that and use Schenn for something else if it has to happen.

 

[Corn Flake]

If Schenn ended up in St. Louis I would suggest you all erase any memory of him ever being a Leaf from your minds because Hitch will probably turn him into the studliest stud blueliner you have ever seen.

But Schenn for Chris Stewart is a pretty fair looking swap if you ask me.

 

[maplesyrup]

If Schenn ended up in St. Louis I would suggest you all erase any memory of him ever being a Leaf from your minds because Hitch will probably turn him into the studliest stud blueliner you have ever seen.

But Schenn for Chris Stewart is a pretty fair looking swap if you ask me.

Studlier than Pilar?  Anyway, it could be just one of those good old-fashioned hockey deals that we don't see much of any more. Maybe I undervalue Schenn a bit but I think we'd be getting the better player - Not day/night better but I think if there was a mid-low end kicker in the deal, it would be from our end - Just me.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

But Schenn for Chris Stewart is a pretty fair looking swap if you ask me.

I suppose it depends. If you're looking at the two players performances this season it probably seems fair. But I think Stewart's performance last season was above and beyond anything Schenn has put together over a course of a full year and his potential is probably a little higher too. I can't see St. Louis making that move.

edit: You're bang-on with that Hitchcock comment though.

 

[Corn Flake]

But Schenn for Chris Stewart is a pretty fair looking swap if you ask me.

I suppose it depends. If you're looking at the two players performances this season it probably seems fair. But I think Stewart's performance last season was above and beyond anything Schenn has put together over a course of a full year and his potential is probably a little higher too. I can't see St. Louis making that move.

edit: You're bang-on with that Hitchcock comment though.

Maybe but I think its fairly close.  I look at it from their past performances, current season but mostly their potential and I'd say its kind of even although tough to compare two very different roles like that.

Schenn's upside is that of a top unit shutdown guy.  In a system like Hitch's I think his potential to reach that peak dramatically increases.  Stewart's top is probably a 1st line power forward in the 70 point range if all goes well.  In both cases, consistency seems to be the key factor towards both reaching those heights. 

All in all I think it could be a perfect fit and like Sarge said, a great hockey trade.  Both players are not playing key roles on either team right now although Schenn probably moreso than Stewart. Schenn's speed issues** would be mitigated in St. Louis and Stewart's offensive game would come out more in Toronto's more speed-driven system.

EDIT: ** for the record I think his speed issues are more about position and decision mistakes and having to skate like a goof to get back to where he is supposed to be.  No he isn't the fastest but he is not a slug.

 

[Tigger]

Not that the Blues are likely to trade him but Stewart is in a contract year and struggling a bit ( same points as Kulemin ) might be a good time to get him.

 

[Britishbulldog]

But Schenn for Chris Stewart is a pretty fair looking swap if you ask me.

I suppose it depends. If you're looking at the two players performances this season it probably seems fair. But I think Stewart's performance last season was above and beyond anything Schenn has put together over a course of a full year and his potential is probably a little higher too. I can't see St. Louis making that move.

edit: You're bang-on with that Hitchcock comment though.

Maybe but I think its fairly close.  I look at it from their past performances, current season but mostly their potential and I'd say its kind of even although tough to compare two very different roles like that.

Schenn's upside is that of a top unit shutdown guy.  In a system like Hitch's I think his potential to reach that peak dramatically increases.  Stewart's top is probably a 1st line power forward in the 70 point range if all goes well.  In both cases, consistency seems to be the key factor towards both reaching those heights. 

All in all I think it could be a perfect fit and like Sarge said, a great hockey trade.  Both players are not playing key roles on either team right now although Schenn probably moreso than Stewart. Schenn's speed issues would be mitigated in St. Louis and Stewart's offensive game would come out more in Toronto's more speed-driven system.

Right on CF.

I feel both players would excel on the other teams system.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Clowe/Stewart... Man, I just don't think guys like that are going to get moved.

In SJ, you have only 1 other guy, Vandermeer, who can chuck the knuckles besides Clowe in the line up.  I can't see Bruce's logic that SJ would trade him.

Winchester who is 6'5" and gets beat up by guys 6'0" and under, McLaren who just got waived, Mashinter in the minors who doesn't have the hockey skill break SJ's linup and Vandermeer who is the only other fighter and he is basically half decent.

With St Louis, you have Reaves as a great fighter (RH shot), Backes as a Hartnell caliber fighter (RH shot), Nichol as a little ball of hate  ;D (RH shot), BJ Crombeen as a Rosehill caliber fighter  (RH shot) as well as Stewart (RH shot) are ALL in the ST Louis line up everynight. 

St Louis doesn't need Stewart as bad as they need a tough, solid, young dman like Schenn and as someone noted Stewart is in a contract year.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

But Schenn for Chris Stewart is a pretty fair looking swap if you ask me.

I suppose it depends. If you're looking at the two players performances this season it probably seems fair. But I think Stewart's performance last season was above and beyond anything Schenn has put together over a course of a full year and his potential is probably a little higher too. I can't see St. Louis making that move.

edit: You're bang-on with that Hitchcock comment though.

And he fought Colton Orr!!  In 2009!!  Although he got put on his butt, we need guys who are tough like that and can put points on the board.

 

[Jalili]

Schenn for Stewart strikes me as being about as even in value as you'll find in a one-for-one deal.