bustaheims
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princedpw said:
Penner's better offensively, but, when he's healthy (his biggest issue since coming to the Leafs), Armstrong is more physical, better in the defensive end and better suited to be used on a checking line.
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Penner's better offensively, but, when he's healthy (his biggest issue since coming to the Leafs), Armstrong is more physical, better in the defensive end and better suited to be used on a checking line.
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Do you think chicago would trade back Jimmy Hayes and Stalberg? We could send them MacArthur and Kulemin. If people think the Kessel deal set us back look at the vesteeg trade.
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bustaheims said:
Armstrong also has a big edge in the pancake eating department. That is at least a weekly, if not bi-weekly, occurrence and should not go unnoticed.
Armstrong always practices safe Pancake.
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Erndog said:
Leafs traded Hayes for what turned out to be Brad Ross.
Leafs traded Versteeg for what turned out to be Percy and Josh Leivo.
The jury is still out on both trades.
The jury should also still be out on the Kessel trade. Based only on NHL production to date, the trade is clearly in the Leafs favour. Many of us assume that the three draft choices Boston obtained will have better careers. Maybe, but maybe not. But Kessel is already established as a top ten scorer and he could well stay there for many years.
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Jordan Staal future talk has cropped up, per Bob McKenzie:
@TSNBobMcKenzie There's a lot of Jordan Staal talk, where his long-term home is (PIT or elsewhere?). Being a year from UFA means he's driving the bus.
@TSNBobMcKenzie I wouldn't be surprised if all three Staal brothers eventually want to play on same team. Eric, BTW, has four more years on his CAR deal.
@TSNBobMcKenzie PIT can't get full market value in trade for J Staal if he's one and done in the new locale. So Staal ultimately ends up wherever he wants.
@TSNBobMcKenzie Which is to suggest Eric not going anywhere. Just a guess, but if Jordan isn't a Penguin -- not suggesting he's not -- a Cane seems logical.
@TSNBobMcKenzie Bottom line is in 1 yr, it's entirely his call. That power/influence dramatically impacts potential move this summer. #canyousaydriversseat
Make of it what you will... all this means to me is that both parties are considering parting ways. If Burke wants J. Staal (as I think he should), he has an opening.
@TSNBobMcKenzie There's a lot of Jordan Staal talk, where his long-term home is (PIT or elsewhere?). Being a year from UFA means he's driving the bus.
@TSNBobMcKenzie I wouldn't be surprised if all three Staal brothers eventually want to play on same team. Eric, BTW, has four more years on his CAR deal.
@TSNBobMcKenzie PIT can't get full market value in trade for J Staal if he's one and done in the new locale. So Staal ultimately ends up wherever he wants.
@TSNBobMcKenzie Which is to suggest Eric not going anywhere. Just a guess, but if Jordan isn't a Penguin -- not suggesting he's not -- a Cane seems logical.
@TSNBobMcKenzie Bottom line is in 1 yr, it's entirely his call. That power/influence dramatically impacts potential move this summer. #canyousaydriversseat
Make of it what you will... all this means to me is that both parties are considering parting ways. If Burke wants J. Staal (as I think he should), he has an opening.
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Erndog said:
Something using Kulemin and Franson, or Schenn if that other theory doesn't pan out.
Someone suggested Lupul for Staal. Would be an interesting trade but not sure moving Lupul to get Staal helps the Leafs in the grand scheme.
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Corn Flake said:
Well, it helps if Lupul is replaced with Nash
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Sarge said:Corn Flake said:
Well, it helps if Lupul is replaced with Nash
*tries thinking*......................... yeah maybe you are on to something there... but Nash or no Nash, wingers seem to be easier to come by than centres. Just IMO, the idea of JStaal as the 1st line centre was to balance out the Lupul/Kessel combo and that they provide significant offensive numbers so you can go with a more defensive minded centre like J. Staal. Without Lupul on that line, it may not work, and yes you would have to bring back in a offensive LW right away or the top line is probably no better than it was last year.
Does the #5 overall suddenly become available for a guy like Jordan Staal?
He was a top 5 pick himself. 6'4, good size, great 2 way game, untapped offensively pontential, was on pace for 33 goals this year... fits the Burke mold/style and fills a huge hole. Would look great between Lupul and Kessel. I think the #5 would definitely become available assuming of course Jordan signs a long-term deal here (5-6 maybe 7 years). Also, I think it would have to be something else decent (but not great) going along with the 5 (Franson? Bozak? etc) similar to the 8th + Voracek for Carter.
Also, the scuttlebutt on the Pens board appears to be that Jordan wants to go to a place with a bigger role and become one of "THE" guys on the team. We can offer him the 1st line spot between Lupes and Kessel... having said that wouldnt it be weird to go to Carolina and suddenly get placed in his brothers shadow? Albeit, the 2 Staals up the middle and Sutter on the 3rd line (unless he's involved in the deal) would be really enticing.
He was a top 5 pick himself. 6'4, good size, great 2 way game, untapped offensively pontential, was on pace for 33 goals this year... fits the Burke mold/style and fills a huge hole. Would look great between Lupul and Kessel. I think the #5 would definitely become available assuming of course Jordan signs a long-term deal here (5-6 maybe 7 years). Also, I think it would have to be something else decent (but not great) going along with the 5 (Franson? Bozak? etc) similar to the 8th + Voracek for Carter.
Also, the scuttlebutt on the Pens board appears to be that Jordan wants to go to a place with a bigger role and become one of "THE" guys on the team. We can offer him the 1st line spot between Lupes and Kessel... having said that wouldnt it be weird to go to Carolina and suddenly get placed in his brothers shadow? Albeit, the 2 Staals up the middle and Sutter on the 3rd line (unless he's involved in the deal) would be really enticing.
bustaheims
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Erndog said:
For only 1 guaranteed year of Jordan Staal? Absolutely not. On a longer term deal, maybe, but, still a coin-flip, I'd say.
bustaheims
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Corn Flake said:
I'm not sure it even means that much, to be honest. What it tells me is that parts of the hockey media are musing about the future of the Penguins after they were fairly thoroughly dismantled in the first round by the Flyers. If Crosby were 100% healthy and Malkin wasn't a Hart finalist, I imagine we'd be seeing similar stories about him.
bustaheims said:
I wrote in the next paragraph it becomes available assuming he signs a long term extension.
Obviously not if he's a 1 and done.
Also, Burke said himself he sees a lot of the top end prospects in this draft being a few years away. Obviously we don't know who we get at #5 but it's a very real possibility that player is around 2 years away before making an impact. By then Kessel and Phaneuf are UFAs so I think Burke would seriously consider moving it now for a player contributing (especially if its a young player you can have signed for ~5+ years). Burkes more in win-now mode as evident by him not dealing his current players for 1sts. He pretty much said as much in his end of the season presser.
bustaheims
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Erndog said:
I know, but, some people will take the ball and run with it without taking the contract situation into account. Like I said, even with an extension, it might only be 50/50. Based on what he's said in his exit interviews, Burke seems very inclined to hold on to that pick and, were he to make a move for Staal, he'd likely prefer it to be more of a hockey deal - as, I imagine, would Shero, who would look at trading Staal as an opportunity to fill some of the holes in his roster.
EDIT: I should probably also add that, since Staal can't actually sign an extension until after July 1st, the potential for uncertainty there almost definitely takes the pick off the table.
Yeah, I'm sure the pick would be attractive in some offers but that's why I was asking about Bozak and Kulemin in a deal for Staal earlier. I'm sure offers for Staal would be fairly competitive if he was on the block so it's hard to say. I think he'd be a nice fit between Lupul and Kessel.
To get towards a 'Carlyle' team, bringing in Gaustad/Kelly for the third line and McClement for the fourth ( move Steckel to wing ) would be a good start too.
I don't know how much any of that is likely, Staal seems like a pipe dream and there will be demand for the bottom six centres in a down free agent year so the price performance will likely fall too.
Still, that would really shore up the defensive responsibility in the forward group.
To get towards a 'Carlyle' team, bringing in Gaustad/Kelly for the third line and McClement for the fourth ( move Steckel to wing ) would be a good start too.
I don't know how much any of that is likely, Staal seems like a pipe dream and there will be demand for the bottom six centres in a down free agent year so the price performance will likely fall too.
Still, that would really shore up the defensive responsibility in the forward group.
bustaheims
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Tigger said:
Why exactly are you advocating moving one of the league's best faceoff men to the wing?