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BMan said:
I think the original point that WIGWAL was making, was that regardless if the ID is expired, it still shows your DOB on the card, so why should someone be rejected for buying booze/cigarettes, etc for it? Oh yeah, because of the truly fantastic rules in place run by the Premier. So excuse me if I have a major problem with him.
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Well, A) WIGWAL doesn't live in Ontario and B) What rules did the Premier put in place that you think changed this policy for Ontario?
 
Nik? said:
Well, A) WIGWAL doesn't live in Ontario and B) What rules did the Premier put in place that you think changed this policy for Ontario?
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Until recently, WIGWAL did live in Ontario,(within the last 3 years at least) but I have no idea what that has to do with the price of pigs feet on the open market? B) I didn't say Mcguinty put it into place, but he is the guy who runs the nanny state in place. Are you yet again arguing just for the sake of arguing Nik? I mean, haven't you said before you had lived in Australia for a spell? Does that mean your argument is moot now because you haven't lived here until recently, so maybe you haven't seen the mismanagement caused by our POS premier et al?

The mans been in power for 9 years come October, and in that same time, the Leafs only made the playoff that first year he was in office..C'mon!!  >:(

 
BMan said:
Until recently, WIGWAL did live in Ontario,(within the last 3 years at least) but I have no idea what that has to do with the price of pigs feet on the open market?
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Well, assuming he's talking about where he lives now it at the very least shows that not allowing the use of an expired license as ID has nothing to do with Ontario and would likely be policy regardless of who was Premier. Think about what you're saying. If McGuinty didn't adopt this as policy then it's policy that existed under the conservatives. If it's policy that existed under the Conservatives then why would it cause you to curse the day McGuinty was elected? Did the Conservatives plan to change the policy?

BMan said:
Are you yet again arguing just for the sake of arguing Nik?
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Until this post I wasn't arguing anything. I was asking you questions because I genuinely have no idea how anyone could present this as a political issue.

BMan said:
I mean, haven't you said before you had lived in Australia for a spell? Does that mean your argument is moot now because you haven't lived here until recently, so maybe you haven't seen the mismanagement caused by our POS premier et al?
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Well, leaving aside that I only lived in Australia for one year three years ago and spent the rest of my life in Ontario, I wasn't saying anyone's argument was moot because of where they lived. I was asking how Dalton McGuinty would be responsible for a policy that you yourself say he didn't put into place.
 
Nik? said:
Well, assuming he's talking about where he lives now it at the very least shows that not allowing the use of an expired license as ID has nothing to do with Ontario and would likely be policy regardless of who was Premier. Think about what you're saying. If McGuinty didn't adopt this as policy then it's policy that existed under the conservatives. If it's policy that existed under the Conservatives then why would it cause you to curse the day McGuinty was elected? Did the Conservatives plan to change the policy?
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You're right Nik. So, that would mean LHF, J-Ho or myself shouldn't have commented since we do not reside in the great state of California.  How do you know it was the Cons who brought it in and not the NDP or the Liberals or Cons before Harris? I think I explained clearly why I cursed his election. You have chose to skip over whatever you want. Not sure if that's deliberate or not, or just convenient.

BMan said:
Are you yet again arguing just for the sake of arguing Nik?
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Until this post I wasn't arguing anything. I was asking you questions because I genuinely have no idea how anyone could present this as a political issue.
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Is it a political issue or just my opinion on what a poor job that the man has done in his time in power?

BMan said:
I mean, haven't you said before you had lived in Australia for a spell? Does that mean your argument is moot now because you haven't lived here until recently, so maybe you haven't seen the mismanagement caused by our POS premier et al?
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Well, leaving aside that I only lived in Australia for one year three years ago and spent the rest of my life in Ontario, I wasn't saying anyone's argument was moot because of where they lived. I was asking how Dalton McGuinty would be responsible for a policy that you yourself say he didn't put into place.
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Again, it's about who is in power now,running the rules which I clearly do not agree with, not who put it into place in the first place.
 
BMan said:
You're right Nik. So, that would mean LHF, J-Ho or myself shouldn't have commented since we do not reside in the great state of California.
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I didn't say that. You'll notice that it's just your comment I asked questions about.

BMan said:
How do you know it was the Cons who brought it in and not the NDP or the Liberals or Cons before Harris?
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I didn't make any claims as to who instituted the policy. I asked why anyone should be found at fault for a policy they didn't institute or why you thought this policy would be different under any other premier when, as you astutely point out, it probably passed through all three parties intact.

BMan said:
I think I explained clearly why I cursed his election.
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It's clear you don't like him but I still don't have any idea what that has to do with expired drivers licenses.

BMan said:
Is it a political issue or just my opinion on what a poor job that the man has done in his time in power?
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The issue I have isn't that you don't like McGuinty. I've never voted for him or his party. It's the idea of citing as one of your issues with him and his government something that, as far as I know, is true everywhere. I don't know of a single place in the world where expired pieces of ID can still be used as ID. My passport, which is issued federally, can't be used to identify myself if it's expired. Do you think that's a similar example of Harper's mismanagement?
 
Sigh.

I'm sorry WIGWAL, if I came off as snarky or whatever, that wasn't the intention. I was going for incredulous, but I forgot you don't live in Ontario.

Truly?!! You can ONLY renew the thing online where you live? Holy crap what about people who don't have computers! That's *almost* as bad as here. wow (that's incredulous, too)

 
BMan said:
Nik? said:
BMan said:
I think if I ever get rejected with an expired drivers license, I shall laugh out loud and curse the day yet again we elected that POS to power in Ontario.
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What? In what way does that have anything to do with the Premier? It's not like you could use expired ID before him.
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I think the original point that WIGWAL was making, was that regardless if the ID is expired, it still shows your DOB on the card, so why should someone be rejected for buying booze/cigarettes, etc for it? Oh yeah, because of the truly fantastic rules in place run by the Premier. So excuse me if I have a major problem with him.
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It's fine to have a major problem with the premier. It just makes no sense that this particular topic is the reason or contributes to the reason you dislike him.

With regards to the expired ID. People have addressed it earlier in this thread. It can easily be shared with younger siblings or friends who look alike. And while the ID was valid at a time and does show your birthdate, it needs to be current so that they can compare it to how you look to confirm that it's actually YOUR ID. It's not a question of its validity, its a question of its ownership.

And your statement that once a cashier's done his/her job they don't care what happens, I doubt that applies to everyone. Some people are actually concerned with minors have unfettered access to alcohol. It's sort of the reason that we have age of majority laws.

And seriously, pulling out the "you're just arguing for the sake of arguing" comment is just weak. If you can't defend your statements, don't make them.
 
Bullfrog said:
It's fine to have a major problem with the premier. It just makes no sense that this particular topic is the reason or contributes to the reason you dislike him.
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So? I won't be losing sleep knowing you don't think it makes any sense to dislike the premier.
With regards to the expired ID. People have addressed it earlier in this thread. It can easily be shared with younger siblings or friends who look alike. And while the ID was valid at a time and does show your birthdate, it needs to be current so that they can compare it to how you look to confirm that it's actually YOUR ID. It's not a question of its validity, its a question of its ownership.
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Great! Again, I was trying to give answers to Nik and J-Ho, but apparently you think you can speak for all cashiers.
And your statement that once a cashier's done his/her job they don't care what happens, I doubt that applies to everyone. Some people are actually concerned with minors have unfettered access to alcohol. It's sort of the reason that we have age of majority laws.
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See above.

And seriously, pulling out the "you're just arguing for the sake of arguing" comment is just weak. If you can't defend your statements, don't make them.
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Wow, you really are missing the point to a message board eh? Generally if you don't like what you are reading, you can answer with an intelligent well thought out rebuttal or you know, ignore it altogether. I see you can't help yourself in getting personal. I'll do and say what I please under the rules of this site, without giving a rats butt what you think. 
 
Nik? said:
I've never voted for him or his party. It's the idea of citing as one of your issues with him and his government something that, as far as I know, is true everywhere. I don't know of a single place in the world where expired pieces of ID can still be used as ID. My passport, which is issued federally, can't be used to identify myself if it's expired. Do you think that's a similar example of Harper's mismanagement?
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No, overall it makes no sense, no matter who is in power federally or provincially, but, rules are made to be changed when new governments come into power. That's why they get elected, not to be lied to. And I know they are all full of beans, so don't think I am naive to believe it's just McGuinty. 

I am interested to learn how you could possibly know how every jurisdiction in the world has the same rules in place for expired IDs though.
 
BMan said:
I am interested to learn how you could possibly know how every jurisdiction in the world has the same rules in place for expired IDs though.
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Well, that's why I said "as far as I know" and limited it to my scope of knowledge. If there's a place in the world where it is valid I'd love to find out where.

 
LittleHockeyFan said:
Sigh.

I'm sorry WIGWAL, if I came off as snarky or whatever, that wasn't the intention. I was going for incredulous, but I forgot you don't live in Ontario.

Truly?!! You can ONLY renew the thing online where you live? Holy crap what about people who don't have computers! That's *almost* as bad as here. wow (that's incredulous, too)
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No need for apologies, we're all friends here.

As for the renewal, it's either online or go to the DMV during business hours, when most people have work or try Saturday when you are guaranteed at least a few hour wait outside in the California sun.
 
BMan said:
Bullfrog said:
It's fine to have a major problem with the premier. It just makes no sense that this particular topic is the reason or contributes to the reason you dislike him.
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So? I won't be losing sleep knowing you don't think it makes any sense to dislike the premier.
With regards to the expired ID. People have addressed it earlier in this thread. It can easily be shared with younger siblings or friends who look alike. And while the ID was valid at a time and does show your birthdate, it needs to be current so that they can compare it to how you look to confirm that it's actually YOUR ID. It's not a question of its validity, its a question of its ownership.
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Great! Again, I was trying to give answers to Nik and J-Ho, but apparently you think you can speak for all cashiers.
And your statement that once a cashier's done his/her job they don't care what happens, I doubt that applies to everyone. Some people are actually concerned with minors have unfettered access to alcohol. It's sort of the reason that we have age of majority laws.
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See above.

And seriously, pulling out the "you're just arguing for the sake of arguing" comment is just weak. If you can't defend your statements, don't make them.
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Wow, you really are missing the point to a message board eh? Generally if you don't like what you are reading, you can answer with an intelligent well thought out rebuttal or you know, ignore it altogether. I see you can't help yourself in getting personal. I'll do and say what I please under the rules of this site, without giving a rats butt what you think.
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Unlike you, I will make the choice to continue to respond in a civil way. I'm not sure I fully understand the reasoning behind you becoming upset or aggressive.

I wasn't suggesting your dislike of the premier is sensible or nonsensical, but rather that disliking him over this particular issue doesn't make sense. This is because the premier has had zero influence on this issue.

Secondly, I did not in any way suggesting I was speaking on behalf of all cashiers. In fact, if you reread the portion of my response that you quoted, you'll see it says: "I doubt that applies to everyone" and "some people." It doesn't say "I doubt that applies to anyone" and "all people" as you seem to be implying.

I find it ironic that you're chastising me for apparently not either providing "an intelligent well thought out rebuttal" or for staying out of the conversation, yet it doesn't really appear as though yours was particularly well thought out.

And honestly, that's not really important to me. On a discussion board, particularly one that I frequent for leisure and enjoyment, I prefer a relaxed, casual conversation to scholarly debates.
 
So one of my best friends just named his newborn son after me.

Surprisingly, it feels like one of the biggest honors I've ever been given, got a little misty when he told me.
 
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