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[Manson]

Thanks Mission.

Yea just myself involved in the accident and an injury claim is open, but they will only pay for 24 physio appts, which I used up quite a while ago. They will do chiropractic(24 appts) and athletic therapy(40 appts) as well, guess that's the route to go.

Ask them about settlement for any remaining benefits.  It's often in their best interest too to just pay out a lump sum to you in exchange for you releasing them from any further claim.  Truthfully, most people just pocket the cash but it's your call how you use it.

The problem is even your doctor is saying you won't get any better from further treatment so they might not be interested in settlement.  Your leverage is that you potentially require surgery and require a lot more treatment.

I don't know the benefits in Manitoba so it's tough to say but I would enquire about settlement of remaining benefits and let me know their response.

 

[J-Ho Fan]

I sell cigarettes and lottery tickets (On the rare occasion I have a shift out in the Smoke shop area of the store, that is) and we're *supposed* to ID anyone who looks under 25. The reason for that is, the store gets fined $5000.00, and so too does the individual who actually sells to someone underage, along with losing their job.
I'm sorry, but I'm not risking that kind of money nor my continued employment just because someone's offended at being ID'd. In fact, if you say it right or with the right tone of voice, most people take it as a compliment that they look younger than they are. I ID'd a lady who turned out to be 35 one day. She looked not a day over 22-ish. She whipped out that ID so quickly and said I absolutely made her day thinking she was that young.

Its the same thing at the LCBO. Our policy is check 25, so anyone who appears 25 or younger gets ID's. I actually take it a step farther and ID anyone who appears 30 or younger. Yes, there are occasions when people get angry with me, especially if they have left their ID at home/in the car because they dont expect to be IDd, but id rather be yelled at and called names than be fined and lose my job because someone "swears theyre 19".

 

[Kin]

I sell cigarettes and lottery tickets (On the rare occasion I have a shift out in the Smoke shop area of the store, that is) and we're *supposed* to ID anyone who looks under 25. The reason for that is, the store gets fined $5000.00, and so too does the individual who actually sells to someone underage, along with losing their job.
I'm sorry, but I'm not risking that kind of money nor my continued employment just because someone's offended at being ID'd. In fact, if you say it right or with the right tone of voice, most people take it as a compliment that they look younger than they are. I ID'd a lady who turned out to be 35 one day. She looked not a day over 22-ish. She whipped out that ID so quickly and said I absolutely made her day thinking she was that young.

Its the same thing at the LCBO. Our policy is check 25, so anyone who appears 25 or younger gets ID's. I actually take it a step farther and ID anyone who appears 30 or younger. Yes, there are occasions when people get angry with me, especially if they have left their ID at home/in the car because they dont expect to be IDd, but id rather be yelled at and called names than be fined and lose my job because someone "swears theyre 19".

I guess this is a question for both of you but has there ever been discussion of a policy to just ID everyone? I know that for people 40 or older it probably would be seen as a waste of time but I will say that as someone in my position the frustration only comes up because I have no idea if it'll happen and how safe I'll be to pop in without ID. If I knew flat out I'd be carded I'd be fine with it.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

funny you bring that up, Nik, because some of my coworkers do that. ID everyone, that is, except for the obvious (old people, and I'm talking hearing aids, canes and hardly any hair). We have a core of staff (the four women that do most of the day time shifts) that hardly ID anyone anymore, only because they know all our regular customers. But most of the rest of us ID just about everyone because it levels the playing field for everyone. Nobody can yell discrimination if *everyone* gets ID'd.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

I guess this is a question for both of you but has there ever been discussion of a policy to just ID everyone? I know that for people 40 or older it probably would be seen as a waste of time but I will say that as someone in my position the frustration only comes up because I have no idea if it'll happen and how safe I'll be to pop in without ID. If I knew flat out I'd be carded I'd be fine with it.

well, given that the vast majority of my customers pay by debit, they're already armed with some ID when they come in. Who runs around with just their debit card on them? If you're popping in with your card, bring your driver's license with you too

 

[Kin]

I guess this is a question for both of you but has there ever been discussion of a policy to just ID everyone? I know that for people 40 or older it probably would be seen as a waste of time but I will say that as someone in my position the frustration only comes up because I have no idea if it'll happen and how safe I'll be to pop in without ID. If I knew flat out I'd be carded I'd be fine with it.

well, given that the vast majority of my customers pay by debit, they're already armed with some ID when they come in. Who runs around with just their debit card on them? If you're popping in with your card, bring your driver's license with you too

Well, just in my case I live/went to school/work in downtown Toronto so I've actually never had a driver's license. ID in my case tends to be my passport which is something I don't want to carry around unless I need to.

On a side note, I've never understood why a healthcard didnt work in those cases.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

On a side note, I've never understood why a healthcard didnt work in those cases.

It's a confidentiality thing. I don't know how it is at other retailers, but we're required to enter the date of birth on the cash register when we card someone. I enter it as digits (ie 02151970 for Feb 15, 1970). That lets our report know the DoB of the customer that was ID'd but nothing else. Some places will swipe your Driver's License or whatever in their registers. That would scare me, I don't know if they're accessing information other than the DoB when the card is swiped like that. Just how much info is on that mag stripe?
The government of Ontario does not allow the recording of the health card number for any other purpose but to access health care. It's the same reason banks are allowed to see that you have a picture ID that is a health card, but they are not allowed to record that number and use it as your proof of identity. At our store, we will use the health card for proof of age (provided that the cardholder resembles the picture definitively) because we do not enter the actual card number, we enter just the date of birth.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

What really bugs me is if your license is expired and they won't accept it, even if it's fairly recent and you're waiting on the new one in the mail.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

What really bugs me is if your license is expired and they won't accept it, even if it's fairly recent and you're waiting on the new one in the mail.

omg. Because if it's expired, it's no longer valid WIGWAL. We don't make the rules we just follow them.

 

[Kin]

It's a confidentiality thing. I don't know how it is at other retailers, but we're required to enter the date of birth on the cash register when we card someone. I enter it as digits (ie 02151970 for Feb 15, 1970). That lets our report know the DoB of the customer that was ID'd but nothing else. Some places will swipe your Driver's License or whatever in their registers. That would scare me, I don't know if they're accessing information other than the DoB when the card is swiped like that. Just how much info is on that mag stripe?
The government of Ontario does not allow the recording of the health card number for any other purpose but to access health care. It's the same reason banks are allowed to see that you have a picture ID that is a health card, but they are not allowed to record that number and use it as your proof of identity. At our store, we will use the health card for proof of age (provided that the cardholder resembles the picture definitively) because we do not enter the actual card number, we enter just the date of birth.

That makes some degree of sense but in other cases it just baffles me. Like,  bars won't accept it and they're just looking at the DOB. But even crazier, that's come up for me lately, is that the provincial government won't accept it as ID when you're in the process of renewing your health card. They issued it. It's their card.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

That makes some degree of sense but in other cases it just baffles me. Like,  bars won't accept it and they're just looking at the DOB. But even crazier, that's come up for me lately, is that the provincial government won't accept it as ID when you're in the process of renewing your health card. They issued it. It's their card.

yeah, the government is a idiot. That really is ridiculous.

 

[J-Ho Fan]

What really bugs me is if your license is expired and they won't accept it, even if it's fairly recent and you're waiting on the new one in the mail.

Once it expires it is no longer valid. If you have renewed it, and are waiting for your new ID in the mail, you will have the sticker on your license, and the paper copy of the renewal which adds two months to the expiry date - ample time to receive your new ID in the mail.

As for health cards, im not sure about other retailers, but at the LCBO we are not allowed to ASK for a health card, but if the customer offers it up we CAN take it - but its the cashiers discretion. Its not something we are required to accept however. 

 

[dappleganger]

I sell cigarettes and lottery tickets (On the rare occasion I have a shift out in the Smoke shop area of the store, that is) and we're *supposed* to ID anyone who looks under 25. The reason for that is, the store gets fined $5000.00, and so too does the individual who actually sells to someone underage, along with losing their job.
I'm sorry, but I'm not risking that kind of money nor my continued employment just because someone's offended at being ID'd. In fact, if you say it right or with the right tone of voice, most people take it as a compliment that they look younger than they are. I ID'd a lady who turned out to be 35 one day. She looked not a day over 22-ish. She whipped out that ID so quickly and said I absolutely made her day thinking she was that young.

I got a chuckle out of it. I told the cashier that I was gonna tell all the 17 year old girls I'm only twenty. 

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

What really bugs me is if your license is expired and they won't accept it, even if it's fairly recent and you're waiting on the new one in the mail.

omg. Because if it's expired, it's no longer valid WIGWAL. We don't make the rules we just follow them.

Did I say you made the rules? And as for Jho's comment about the sticker, not the case here, you can renew online and need to wait for the new license.

Basically all that needs to be seen is the D.O.B, I mean provided its expired somewhat recently, it's pretty obvious it's that person as it has a somewhat recent picture.

I understand needing the I.D. to still to be current if the person is applying for something and their identity needs to be verified, but as means of an age check it is silly.

That is not commentary on any random store clerk, obviously they have no say on how the system works, it's more just a commentary on the system as a whole.

 

[J-Ho Fan]

What really bugs me is if your license is expired and they won't accept it, even if it's fairly recent and you're waiting on the new one in the mail.

omg. Because if it's expired, it's no longer valid WIGWAL. We don't make the rules we just follow them.

Did I say you made the rules? And as for Jho's comment about the sticker, not the case here, you can renew online and need to wait for the new license.

Basically all that needs to be seen is the D.O.B, I mean provided its expired somewhat recently, it's pretty obvious it's that person as it has a somewhat recent picture.

I understand needing the I.D. to still to be current if the person is applying for something and their identity needs to be verified, but as means of an age check it is silly.

That is not commentary on any random store clerk, obviously they have no say on how the system works, it's more just a commentary on the system as a whole.

I think one of the biggest reasons for it being so strict is because of the common practice of brothers/sisters passing on ID to younger siblings/underage friends. Especially in the case of a brother/sister, the picture will look similar enough, and slight differences could be played off because the picture was taken a few years ago. Next thing you know, alcohol is in the hands of a minor, and what happens from there could be anyones guess. What people dont always realize, is that if that child drinks, and something happens, then its proven that they were served underage, the person who served them is held accountable. Like jail time, charges, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines etc.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I understand your point especially if people are trying to use I.D. that is years expired, but I think there should be a 3-6 month amnesty on the expiry and it still being a valid proof of age.

If under the system I suggested, you sold alcohol to someone who provided to you what appeared to be proof of age and they purposely trick you into believing that they where that person in the I.D. and are of age, then your liability should be waived.

 

[WalterSobchak]

What an interesting debate..

Your drivers license expires every 5 years but your D.O.B. stays the same....

I think if I ever get rejected with an expired drivers license, I shall laugh out loud and curse the day yet again we elected that POS to power in Ontario.

I have been to certain cities in the USA where they have signs on the bar/club windows that flat out state "If you are under 45, without ID, don't bother coming in and ordering alcohol."

 

[Kin]

I think if I ever get rejected with an expired drivers license, I shall laugh out loud and curse the day yet again we elected that POS to power in Ontario.

What? In what way does that have anything to do with the Premier? It's not like you could use expired ID before him.

 

[WalterSobchak]

I think if I ever get rejected with an expired drivers license, I shall laugh out loud and curse the day yet again we elected that POS to power in Ontario.

What? In what way does that have anything to do with the Premier? It's not like you could use expired ID before him.

I think the original point that WIGWAL was making, was that regardless if the ID is expired, it still shows your DOB on the card, so why should someone be rejected for buying booze/cigarettes, etc for it? Oh yeah, because of the truly fantastic rules in place run by the Premier. So excuse me if I have a major problem with him. 

 

[WalterSobchak]

I think one of the biggest reasons for it being so strict is because of the common practice of brothers/sisters passing on ID to younger siblings/underage friends. Especially in the case of a brother/sister, the picture will look similar enough, and slight differences could be played off because the picture was taken a few years ago. Next thing you know, alcohol is in the hands of a minor, and what happens from there could be anyones guess. What people dont always realize, is that if that child drinks, and something happens, then its proven that they were served underage, the person who served them is held accountable. Like jail time, charges, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines etc.

The point of the ID is more to save your hide as a cashier. If you really believe it is there for what you typed above, how does that stop all those 21 year olds who run and grab a case of beer or a bottle,with a valid ID, for their 18 year old buddies? It doesn't and you know that already. And you rightfully won't care as you have done your job correctly.