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2011-2012 NHL Thread

Busta Reims said:
Erndog said:
Someones wrong.

TSN clearly says $10.75M over 3 years.

I'm guessing a typo on TSN's part there. 3 years at $5.25M is $15.75M - and, apparently, that's what's being reported in Boston as well.

Yeah, as I indicated in my first post, I thought it was strange he was taking a haircut.
 
Busta Reims said:
hockeyfan1 said:
Busta Reims said:
hockeyfan1 said:
Stronger Than All said:
Glad the Habs ended Anaheims losing streak and not us!

Looks like the coaching change worked in igniting a win
for the Ducks!

The coaching change was made after the game.

One hour after the Ducks win over the Habs.

Yes. So, how exactly did something that happened after
the win "ignite" the win?

I made that comment about "igniting the win" before I
knew about the coaching change being done after the
game.  (I was speaking in the figurative sense when I mentioned "ignite").
 
Sorry if it caused you any inconvenience, but, it seems
to me that when one posts an error, there"s little room
for 'forgiveness'.    ::)
 
hockeyfan1 said:
Busta Reims said:
hockeyfan1 said:
Busta Reims said:
hockeyfan1 said:
Stronger Than All said:
Glad the Habs ended Anaheims losing streak and not us!

Looks like the coaching change worked in igniting a win
for the Ducks!

The coaching change was made after the game.

One hour after the Ducks win over the Habs.

Yes. So, how exactly did something that happened after
the win "ignite" the win?

I made that comment about "igniting the win" before I
knew about the coaching change being done after the
game.  (I was speaking in the figurative sense when I mentioned "ignite").
 
Sorry if it caused you any inconvenience, but, it seems
to me that when one posts an error, there"s little room
for 'forgiveness'.    ::)

He is just Busta-ing your chops...

*symbol crash*
 
Epic lulz going on the Nucks-Preds game.

Nashville went up 3-1 in the first.  Schneider got pulled.  Canucks then scored 4 straight in the 2nd to go up 5-3.  Now the Preds have made it 6-5.
 
Player agent Allan Walsh destroying his clients NHL career?

"While I have tremendous respect for Scott Howson and the rest of Columbus' management team, the situation regarding Derick Brassard has become untenable," Walsh wrote. "This coach has a history of burying players and using them as scapegoats to mask his own lack of success on the ice. Derick has been singled out, almost from the very beginning of the season to be the fall guy in case things don't go well. The Columbus organization cares about Derick and has been good to him, but at some point enough is enough."
 
L K said:
Player agent Allan Walsh destroying his clients NHL career?

"While I have tremendous respect for Scott Howson and the rest of Columbus' management team, the situation regarding Derick Brassard has become untenable," Walsh wrote. "This coach has a history of burying players and using them as scapegoats to mask his own lack of success on the ice. Derick has been singled out, almost from the very beginning of the season to be the fall guy in case things don't go well. The Columbus organization cares about Derick and has been good to him, but at some point enough is enough."

Wow.  Yeah, I think there's more tactful ways of asking for a trade...
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
L K said:
Player agent Allan Walsh destroying his clients NHL career?

"While I have tremendous respect for Scott Howson and the rest of Columbus' management team, the situation regarding Derick Brassard has become untenable," Walsh wrote. "This coach has a history of burying players and using them as scapegoats to mask his own lack of success on the ice. Derick has been singled out, almost from the very beginning of the season to be the fall guy in case things don't go well. The Columbus organization cares about Derick and has been good to him, but at some point enough is enough."

Wow.  Yeah, I think there's more tactful ways of asking for a trade...

It's not the first time for Walsh.
link
Just like he did when Martin Havlat(notes) was being used in a "purely secondary role" after signing with the Minnesota Wild, accusing coach Todd Richards ailing to recognize Havlat's accomplishments: "It's like we are in a time warp and the coach has totally ignored or chooses to ignore what Marty has done offensively over the course of his entire career."

Just like he did when he claimed Richards was treating Petr Sykora with "less respect than a rookie" through his ice time, despite scoring just two goals in 13 games.

Just like he did when making his Twitter quip about Montreal Canadiens goalie Carey Price(notes), who was in competition with Walsh client Jaroslav Halak(notes) at the time in 2010:"Interesting stat of the night.... #Habs' Price is 10W, 32L in last 42 starts. Hmm."

Please note that none of those clients remain with those teams.
 
I have yet to watch either of Washington's games with Hunter now as coach, but I keep hearing/reading that they won't be playing a run-and-gun type of system.  Now, I've slowly been thinking that last 12 to 18 months that Ovechkin was becoming a has been, and if this is true, I can't see how this will help Ovechkin get out of this funk and reclaim his status as one of the best players in the league. 

On to another issue that could balloon further -- a major issue is brewing in Vancouver with Luongo.  He's been horrible, his contract is ridiculous, and he crapped the bed last night when there was a crack for him to easily steal back the #1 job.  It'd take one heckuva sell job to move that contract, but something's got to give.  Or perhaps the Canucks ride out this year and hope that the upcoming CBA enables teams to void one contract, similar to what the NBA did.
 
Peter D. said:
I have yet to watch either of Washington's games with Hunter now as coach, but I keep hearing/reading that they won't be playing a run-and-gun type of system.  Now, I've slowly been thinking that last 12 to 18 months that Ovechkin was becoming a has been, and if this is true, I can't see how this will help Ovechkin get out of this funk and reclaim his status as one of the best players in the league. 

On to another issue that could balloon further -- a major issue is brewing in Vancouver with Luongo.  He's been horrible, his contract is ridiculous, and he crapped the bed last night when there was a crack for him to easily steal back the #1 job.  It'd take one heckuva sell job to move that contract, but something's got to give.  Or perhaps the Canucks ride out this year and hope that the upcoming CBA enables teams to void one contract, similar to what the NBA did.

Yeah I'm not sure what to think about Washington and Ovechkin.  It seems Hunter wants them to play defensively, they've not scored many goals in 2 games so far.  How is this any different than what Boudreau was trying to get them to do? 
 
Whatever happens, Washington needs to turn it around pretty quick, otherwise, they could find themselves as low as 13th by the end of the weekend.
 
Peter D. said:
...
he crapped the bed last night when there was a crack for him to easily steal back the #1 job.  It'd take one heckuva sell job to move that contract, but something's got to give.  Or perhaps the Canucks ride out this year and hope that the upcoming CBA enables teams to void one contract, similar to what the NBA did.

Here's the video recap of the game:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2011020363

Schneider let in 3 goals on five shots. Some of them soft/quite stoppable.

Luongo let in 3 goals on 15 shots. Two of them a Nashville player got in alone on him - high percentage scoring chances like a breakaway. He stopped a third one like that. The other goal was a blast from in close where there was no humanly possible way he could react and the only question would be if he was out of position on the angle - I'm not positive because the video is inconclusive but his positioning was not bad. He may well have had virtually no chance on that one.

He hasn't played well this season but I didn't see his goaltending last night as "he crapped the bed last night"

I'm not sure what is going on with goalie assessments this season. Just because a team rings up a bunch of goals, the goalie seems to be getting hammered for it when sometimes, the team in front of them is giving up glorious scoring chances and they're being put away by good and accurate scoring skills - giving the goalie little chance to make the stop. That's how I would characterize Luongo's performance last night. And in my opinion, it's similar to what the Leafs did to Gustavsson in the recent Boston game.
 
cw said:
Here's the video recap of the game:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2011020363

Schneider let in 3 goals on five shots. Some of them soft/quite stoppable.

Luongo let in 3 goals on 15 shots. Two of them a Nashville player got in alone on him - high percentage scoring chances like a breakaway. He stopped a third one like that. The other goal was a blast from in close where there was no humanly possible way he could react and the only question would be if he was out of position on the angle - I'm not positive because the video is inconclusive but his positioning was not bad. He may well have had virtually no chance on that one.

He hasn't played well this season but I didn't see his goaltending last night as "he crapped the bed last night"

I'm not sure what is going on with goalie assessments this season. Just because a team rings up a bunch of goals, the goalie seems to be getting hammered for it when sometimes, the team in front of them is giving up glorious scoring chances and they're being put away by good and accurate scoring skills - giving the goalie little chance to make the stop. That's how I would characterize Luongo's performance last night. And in my opinion, it's similar to what the Leafs did to Gustavsson in the recent Boston game.

I didn't catch the game or highlights, so I was strictly going on what I saw in the boxscore.  Obviously not the way to pass judgment, but knowing what's been going on in Vancouver the last little while and Luongo's play lately, it's tough not to jump to conclusions.

I have quite a few friends in B.C. who've had enough of Luongo.  One mentioned to me last night that he had hoped Luongo could have shown his worth in the game last night after Schneider was pulled.  While it may not be directly his fault, just as we say sometimes, they just wish he could have made that one extra save.

As someone who doesn't mind Gustavsson and hopes he succeeds, I totally understand that not everything can be pinned on the goalie (as was the case with Wednesday's game). 

This situation has been festering for the last little while in Vancouver.  They have a backup who is sufficient enough to be a #1.  They have a #1 who is making a whack load of money for the next decade who has stumbled out of the gates.  It's as if Luongo's confidence is shattered and there are those who believe it's best each party goes their own way.  I'm sure if Vancouver could get out of his contract some how, some way, they'd do it in a heartbeat and a good portion of the fanbase would rejoice. 
 
Funny how quickly things can change with regards to Luongo.  I remember when they signed him to that long term deal, some Canucks fans were boasting to me about how it was a steal of a deal, lower cap hit by making a super long term deal, best goalie in the league etc.  Now those same Canucks fans want Luongo run out of town.
 
Zee said:
Funny how quickly things can change with regards to Luongo.  I remember when they signed him to that long term deal, some Canucks fans were boasting to me about how it was a steal of a deal, lower cap hit by making a super long term deal, best goalie in the league etc.  Now those same Canucks fans want Luongo run out of town.

Is that really that surprising?
 
Madferret said:
Zee said:
Funny how quickly things can change with regards to Luongo.  I remember when they signed him to that long term deal, some Canucks fans were boasting to me about how it was a steal of a deal, lower cap hit by making a super long term deal, best goalie in the league etc.  Now those same Canucks fans want Luongo run out of town.

Is that really that surprising?

It kind of is.  When he was first traded to Vancouver it was pretty much regarded as highway robbery by Vancouver.  They got a great young goalie who would steal games for his team and gave up Bertuzzi who was all a mess after that Moore incident.  For years Luongo was the toast of the town, culminating in the Olympic goal medal in Vancouver.  Now he's viewed as a goalie with head problems and confidence issues who crumbles under the pressure of the big games.
 
Zee said:
Madferret said:
Zee said:
Funny how quickly things can change with regards to Luongo.  I remember when they signed him to that long term deal, some Canucks fans were boasting to me about how it was a steal of a deal, lower cap hit by making a super long term deal, best goalie in the league etc.  Now those same Canucks fans want Luongo run out of town.

Is that really that surprising?

It kind of is.  When he was first traded to Vancouver it was pretty much regarded as highway robbery by Vancouver.  They got a great young goalie who would steal games for his team and gave up Bertuzzi who was all a mess after that Moore incident.  For years Luongo was the toast of the town, culminating in the Olympic goal medal in Vancouver.  Now he's viewed as a goalie with head problems and confidence issues who crumbles under the pressure of the big games.

I think you're mistaking surprising with satisfying. Did you believe all of that Luongo hype at the time?
 
Madferret said:
Zee said:
Madferret said:
Zee said:
Funny how quickly things can change with regards to Luongo.  I remember when they signed him to that long term deal, some Canucks fans were boasting to me about how it was a steal of a deal, lower cap hit by making a super long term deal, best goalie in the league etc.  Now those same Canucks fans want Luongo run out of town.

Is that really that surprising?

It kind of is.  When he was first traded to Vancouver it was pretty much regarded as highway robbery by Vancouver.  They got a great young goalie who would steal games for his team and gave up Bertuzzi who was all a mess after that Moore incident.  For years Luongo was the toast of the town, culminating in the Olympic goal medal in Vancouver.  Now he's viewed as a goalie with head problems and confidence issues who crumbles under the pressure of the big games.

I think you're mistaking surprising with satisfying. Did you believe all of that Luongo hype at the time?

Well he was a top goalie during his time in Florida, they had a brutal team but he would singlehandely win games for them.  He also did get the Canucks to the finals, so all in all he's done more than a lot of other goalies in the league.  I don't see that it was all hype, a few bounces and the Canucks could have won the Cup.  Funny they would throw Luongo under the bus now.
 

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