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2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion

I saw someone point out yesterday that Johnsson is still technically considered a rookie this season and for whatever reason that actually surprised me. His 4-point night yesterday pushed him into a tie for 3rd in rookie scoring this season with Ottawa's Colin White. They both have 26 points in 46 games. He trails Elias Pettersson who has 46 points in 42 games and Rasmus Dahlin who has 28 points in 51 games.

Petterson are Dahlin are pretty much locks to finish 1-2 in Calder voting this season, but I wonder if a strong 2nd half could still earn Johnsson a nomination there.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I saw someone point out yesterday that Johnsson is still technically considered a rookie this season and for whatever reason that actually surprised me. His 4-point night yesterday pushed him into a tie for 3rd in rookie scoring this season with Ottawa's Colin White. They both have 26 points in 46 games. He trails Elias Pettersson who has 46 points in 42 games and Rasmus Dahlin who has 28 points in 51 games.

Petterson are Dahlin are pretty much locks to finish 1-2 in Calder voting this season, but I wonder if a strong 2nd half could still earn Johnsson a nomination there.
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My guess is that a guy Johnsson's age really has to be way out in front to earn a nod over a guy with a similar season but 4 or 5 years younger. Right now I think someone like Heiskanen is in the #3 spot.
 
Ya, the last person to win it at his age was Panarin, with 30 goals and 77 points in 80 games. Nabokov, back in 2000 also won it.
 
Nik the Trik said:
My guess is that a guy Johnsson's age really has to be way out in front to earn a nod over a guy with a similar season but 4 or 5 years younger. Right now I think someone like Heiskanen is in the #3 spot.
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As of right now he'd be my 3rd slot as well but Heiskanen is at a disadvantage with how these awards are usually voted on since he's a sub-40 point, bad +/-, Western Conference playing defenceman.
 
Hey guys, while we're waiting for Leafs vs Habs Saturday night here's a nice blast from the past. 2004 team with a giant comeback in Buffalo. Look at those names.

"Maple Leafs vs Sabres - March 15, 2004!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSarotooZ0
 
disco said:
Hey guys, while we're waiting for Leafs vs Habs Saturday night here's a nice blast from the past. 2004 team with a giant comeback in Buffalo. Look at those names.

"Maple Leafs vs Sabres - March 15, 2004!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSarotooZ0
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What a team we had there. Sundin, Roberts, Nolan, Leetch, Nieuwendyk, Kabs, Francis, Mogilny, McCabe, Antropov, Poni to name some.
 
Guilt Trip said:
disco said:
Hey guys, while we're waiting for Leafs vs Habs Saturday night here's a nice blast from the past. 2004 team with a giant comeback in Buffalo. Look at those names.

"Maple Leafs vs Sabres - March 15, 2004!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSarotooZ0
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What a team we had there. Sundin, Roberts, Nolan, Leetch, Nieuwendyk, Kabs, Francis, Mogilny, McCabe, Antropov, Poni to name some.
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... and Belfour. The last time the Leafs were "all in" and had a legitimate shot. And now we're back with homegrown talent from the Pain.
 
https://twitter.com/TheFlintor/status/1094417312738758656
I'm guessing it starts with "power" and ends with "play".
 
Matthews CF w/ Marleau: 47.47
Matthews CF w/o Marleau: 55.64

Matthews P/60 w/ Marleau: 2.6
Matthews P/60 w/o Marleau: 3.5

And Marleau has consistently been 4th among forwards in 5-on-5 ice-time this season. There's just no way to justify his ice-time/playing time with Matthews anymore.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Matthews CF w/ Marleau: 47.47
Matthews CF w/o Marleau: 55.64

Matthews P/60 w/ Marleau: 2.6
Matthews P/60 w/o Marleau: 3.5

And Marleau has consistently been 4th among forwards in 5-on-5 ice-time this season. There's just no way to justify his ice-time/playing time with Matthews anymore.
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We hear all the time that Babcock is a progressive coach, he takes input from the analytics guys etc, so why the hell is he not taking Marleau off that line?  Surely he has the same if not more info than we do as the Leafs track stuff on their own.
 
From what I've seen the last few games, there's just no chemistry with Kapanen. Both players want to shoot. Kapanen doesn't have the high end skill to make plays through traffic and isn't great at getting to open areas for Matthews to get him the puck.

Marleau is just a giant anchor. He can't keep up with the high level of play anymore. It's not his fault. Babcock needs to recognize this. I understand wanting to respect the player, but winning is more important at this point of the season.

Marleau's place is on the 4th line.
 
TML fan said:
From what I've seen the last few games, there's just no chemistry with Kapanen. Both players want to shoot. Kapanen doesn't have the high end skill to make plays through traffic and isn't great at getting to open areas for Matthews to get him the puck.

Marleau is just a giant anchor. He can't keep up with the high level of play anymore. It's not his fault. Babcock needs to recognize this. I understand wanting to respect the player, but winning is more important at this point of the season.

Marleau's place is on the 4th line.
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I don't know about the 4th line, but definitely down in the lineup.  This would be optimal for me:

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Ennis - Lindholm - Brown
Goat
 
Marleau's place isn't on the 4th line. But, as I said the other day, Matthews lack of production has more to do with his linemates and less to do with his shoulders
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Marleau's place isn't on the 4th line. But, as I said the other day, Matthews lack of production has more to do with his linemates and less to do with his shoulders
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Totally agree. It's tough playing shorthanded all the time which is essentially what he has to do every shift. It's time for Willy and Matthews to be back together.
 
Since returning from his shoulder injury Matthews has just 2 less points than Marner in that span. And that's while playing with (mostly) 3rd liners or a training camp version of Nylander. I really don't get the worry about his shoulder or the idea that he's somewhat altered his game since the injury to avoid contact. You all remember that goal he scored against the sens, right?
 
5-on-5 points since Matthews returned from his injury:

Tavares 24
Matthews 21
Marner 20
Johnsson 19
Kadri 13
Kapanen 12
Brown 10
Hyman 10
Nylander 10
Marleau 9

5-on-5 points in 2019:

Tavares 12
Matthews 10
Johnsson 10
Marner 9
Nylander 8
Hyman 7
Kadri 6
Kapanen 6
Marleau 5
Brown 5
 
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