2024-25 General Trades and Signings

[herman]

I think the Pens still do really well here considering they get a probably better prospect who is able to start playing NHL games right now (very important to them for obvious reasons) but that's about as good of a return for Winnipeg too considering the trade request/UFA pressure. Yager's probably about Easton Cowan-ish.

Heavy grindy playmaking winger/centre, for a slight offensively oriented centre (95 pts in 57 gp). Pretty hefty price, but Dubas going a bit against type

Jets had no leverage, so I'm guessing they were sifting through 6th round pick offers; hard to say no to a now classic Dubas trade of a 1st rounder.

 

[Jolly good show chaps]

The above comparison makes me wonder...would Cowan for McGroarty been a good trade for the Leafs?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The above comparison makes me wonder...would Cowan for McGroarty been a good trade for the Leafs?

It's just one service but for what it's worth in the Athletic's rankings of the top-100 drafted prospects this July McGroarty was ranked 33rd, Cowan 47th, and Yager 58th. Ultimately there's probably not a massive gap between any of the prospects in those ranges and it just comes down to small aspects that would make one more preferable to a team over another. I would hazard to guess most places would generally rank McGroarty as the better of the 3 prospects right now though so, I mean, maybe. It's hard not just for fans but also organizations to move on from a top prospect that they just so recently drafted though.

One thing that might lean you to saying no though is that McGroarty is a tad bit Knies-like. It's not as though having 2 of them would be bad but Cowan represents something a little more unique in the organization at his age.

 

[herman]

The above comparison makes me wonder...would Cowan for McGroarty been a good trade for the Leafs?

It's just one service but for what it's worth in the Athletic's rankings of the top-100 drafted prospects this July McGroarty was ranked 33rd, Cowan 47th, and Yager 58th. Ultimately there's probably not a massive gap between any of the prospects in those ranges and it just comes down to small aspects that would make one more preferable to a team over another. I would hazard to guess most places would generally rank McGroarty as the better of the 3 prospects right now though so, I mean, maybe. It's hard not just for fans but also organizations to move on from a top prospect that they just so recently drafted though.

One thing that might lean you to saying no though is that McGroarty is a tad bit Knies-like. It's not as though having 2 of them would be bad but Cowan represents something a little more unique in the organization at his age.

I am basically in agreement with Carlton. If McGroarty was a right-hander though...

I wanted the Leafs to draft McGroarty, but not necessarily spend assets to jump up to 14 where he was taken; I wanted Owen Beck (RH centre went 33rd to MTL). The Leafs had the 25th overall pick that draft and traded it and Mrazek (3.8M) to Chicago for the 38th (Fraser Minten).

McGroarty's footspeed is a current knock against his game, but he fits in with Pittsburgh's needs and strengths quite neatly, to maximize what remains of Crosby, Malkin, and Letang/Karlsson.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/predsnhl/status/1827076195902439669
I always forget how dreadful returns are for goalie trades. As more tuned in people note, this is the bunch of stuff San Jose received for trading Tomas Hertl at the deadline, with some filler

https://twitter.com/hockey_robinson/status/1827073237211091307

 

[herman]

https://x.com/bruinsbenders/status/1828101614345109713
Yes they should absolutely sign him to 10+M. See the last goalie that did it won the Stanley Cup!

 

[cabber24]

https://twitter.com/bruinsbenders/status/1828101614345109713
Yes they should absolutely sign him to 10+M. See the last goalie that did it won the Stanley Cup!

Most games played in a season 44... sounds like a contract the Leafs would offer.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/bruinsbenders/status/1828101614345109713
Yes they should absolutely sign him to 10+M. See the last goalie that did it won the Stanley Cup!

https://x.com/savagesports_/status/1828583477052055920

 

[Joe S.]

https://twitter.com/bruinsbenders/status/1828101614345109713
Yes they should absolutely sign him to 10+M. See the last goalie that did it won the Stanley Cup!

Most games played in a season 44... sounds like a contract the Leafs would offer.

Based on what exactly?

 

[cabber24]

https://twitter.com/bruinsbenders/status/1828101614345109713
Yes they should absolutely sign him to 10+M. See the last goalie that did it won the Stanley Cup!

Most games played in a season 44... sounds like a contract the Leafs would offer.

Based on what exactly?

Marner (aka "a God") cannot contribute in the playoffs and is overpaid.

Matthews got top dollar and a short-term twice, no one has ever gotten paid so much on a shorter-term contract.

Tavares was #2 paid in the league only behind McDavid when signed.

Nylander got paid on projection, not on production (half a season at a career-high pace), Nylander's previous contract was higher than all his 60-point-peers.

 

[Joe S.]

I mean cool, but how that relates to a goalie asking for 10 mil I?m not quite sure.

 

[IJustLurkHere]

https://twitter.com/bruinsbenders/status/1828101614345109713
Yes they should absolutely sign him to 10+M. See the last goalie that did it won the Stanley Cup!

Most games played in a season 44... sounds like a contract the Leafs would offer.

Based on what exactly?

Marner (aka "a God") cannot contribute in the playoffs and is overpaid.

Matthews got top dollar and a short-term twice, no one has ever gotten paid so much on a shorter-term contract.

Tavares was #2 paid in the league only behind McDavid when signed.

Nylander got paid on projection, not on production (half a season at a career-high pace), Nylander's previous contract was higher than all his 60-point-peers.

So, how do you think the Leafs should have handled any one of those scenarios? Or are we just complaining that we don't like the way money flows in the NHL?

 

[cabber24]

If people don't think the Leafs have bumped the ceiling for what players can ask for they need to give their head a shake.

 

[herman]

The signings are justifiable at their time of signing. What the front office should have done was bet earlier and make perceived overpays a year in advance (Nylander and Marner specifically), which would've been less than what they signed for due to waiting.

7x7 for Nylander in the 2018 offseason would've looked a bit kookie, but without the hold out, Nylander blows it out of the water immediately.

8x9M for Marner before he played with Tavares would've looked a touch crazy that summer, and then would've looked amazing the rest of the way.

It's how you get 8x9 - 8x12 for Draistl/Eichel/McDavid

 

[Joe S.]

If people don't think the Leafs have bumped the ceiling for what players can ask for they need to give their head a shake.

If crowbarring this in here in relation to a bruins goalie asking for 10 mil makes you feel better then all the power to you.

 

[herman]

https://x.com/hockeyclip/status/1829168844927381689
The person asking the question addressed Rutger as 'Brayden' (the player who he was traded for).

 

[dappleganger]

https://twitter.com/bruinsbenders/status/1828101614345109713
Yes they should absolutely sign him to 10+M. See the last goalie that did it won the Stanley Cup!

Most games played in a season 44... sounds like a contract the Leafs would offer.

Based on what exactly?

Marner (aka "a God") cannot contribute in the playoffs and is overpaid.

Matthews got top dollar and a short-term twice, no one has ever gotten paid so much on a shorter-term contract.

Tavares was #2 paid in the league only behind McDavid when signed.

Nylander got paid on projection, not on production (half a season at a career-high pace), Nylander's previous contract was higher than all his 60-point-peers.

Ugh. I know this is beating a dead horse but no Leaf player has more playoff points as a member of the Maple Leafs than Mitch Marner.

 

[Joe S.]

Ugh. I know this is beating a dead horse but no Leaf player has more playoff points as a member of the Maple Leafs than Mitch Marner.

Marner: coming back from injury, clearly still being bothered by it and has a rough first round - soft and useless get rid of him.

Draisaitl: clearly has an injury in the finals, has 0 goals and 2 points in 7 games - no big deal, sign him to an extension immediately.

 

[cabber24]

Ugh. I know this is beating a dead horse but no Leaf player has more playoff points as a member of the Maple Leafs than Mitch Marner.

Marner: coming back from injury, clearly still being bothered by it and has a rough first round - soft and useless get rid of him.

Draisaitl: clearly has an injury in the finals, has 0 goals and 2 points in 7 games - no big deal, sign him to an extension immediately.

Comical comparison, Draisaitl versus Marner in the playoffs...

 

[Joe S.]

Ugh. I know this is beating a dead horse but no Leaf player has more playoff points as a member of the Maple Leafs than Mitch Marner.

Marner: coming back from injury, clearly still being bothered by it and has a rough first round - soft and useless get rid of him.

Draisaitl: clearly has an injury in the finals, has 0 goals and 2 points in 7 games - no big deal, sign him to an extension immediately.

Comical comparison, Draisaitl versus Marner in the playoffs...

I?m clearly comparing the situation and reaction. Not the player.