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2024-25 General Trades and Signings

herman said:
Jordan Harris is Montreal's... Mikko Kokkonen equivalent? Maybe a touch better?
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I think Harris' 131 NHL games to Kokkonen's 0 should warrant significantly more than just a "touch" better qualifier.
 
Does anyone think Laine will succeed in the Montreal pressure cooker with his recent mental health concerns? I sure don't.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I get that Laine's stock is down, but that seems crazy low. Especially with Columbus having to give up a 2nd as well.
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Yeah I don't get this, they got him for next to nothing.  I know Laine has hit the skids on his career, but this is a former 40 goal scorer.
 
I hope he scores a tonne of goals! His release early in his career was unbelievable. Since MTL has no intention of being competitive anytime soon, a 2-year flyer on Laine makes sense. I hope it works out for all parties involved.
 
bustaheims said:
Does anyone think Laine will succeed in the Montreal pressure cooker with his recent mental health concerns? I sure don't.
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Yeah that's the weird thing about this trade. I think the return if obviously way below Laine's value (even factoring in his contract/last years results) but at the same time I really don't think Montreal is the best spot for him to succeed considering not just what you mentioned but also because Caufield will presumably be getting the prime minutes/looks ahead of him.

Why a team like Utah/Carolina/Buffalo/Calgary/Anaheim didn't step up more at this price (virtually free really) confuses me.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Jordan Harris is Montreal's... Mikko Kokkonen equivalent? Maybe a touch better?
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I think Harris' 131 NHL games to Kokkonen's 0 should warrant significantly more than just a "touch" better qualifier.
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How much of that is because Montreal is in a rebuild though? And the Leafs up to their gills in LD
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1825635191475331551
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I mean would it have killed Columbus to retain a little bit if it meant getting an actual return? Laine only has 2 years left on his deal and Columbus is currently showing with $18mil in cap space for this season.
 
Zee said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I get that Laine's stock is down, but that seems crazy low. Especially with Columbus having to give up a 2nd as well.
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Yeah I don't get this, they got him for next to nothing.  I know Laine has hit the skids on his career, but this is a former 40 goal scorer.
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He scored 44 goals in his second season in the league.  Hit 30 the year after, his next highest total. 

 
Steal for the Habs and adding a 2nd crazy. Meanwhile We really haven?t done shi* other than signing Tanev and OEL. 2 years from now we?ll be looking up at the Habs in the standings. Laine if he gets his head straightened out can help the Habs immensely. Building a good team there mind you sucking for years can do that.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1825635191475331551
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I mean would it have killed Columbus to retain a little bit if it meant getting an actual return? Laine only has 2 years left on his deal and Columbus is currently showing with $18mil in cap space for this season.
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Hasn't the owner become exceedingly cheap?
 
Bender said:
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1825635191475331551
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I mean would it have killed Columbus to retain a little bit if it meant getting an actual return? Laine only has 2 years left on his deal and Columbus is currently showing with $18mil in cap space for this season.
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Hasn't the owner become exceedingly cheap?
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Isn?t he paying for Babcock and Kekalainen?
 
herman said:
Bender said:
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1825635191475331551
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I mean would it have killed Columbus to retain a little bit if it meant getting an actual return? Laine only has 2 years left on his deal and Columbus is currently showing with $18mil in cap space for this season.
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Hasn't the owner become exceedingly cheap?
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Isn?t he paying for Babcock and Kekalainen?
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Maybe thats the issue!
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Zee said:
I really wish more teams would do this.  Enough of the old-boys club "we can't do that" mentality, it's legal and it puts your opponent into an uncomfortable place to be.  If you're scared that another team may do it to you, all the more incentive to manage your cap very well so you don't end up like this.
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It just makes so much sense especially for young RFAs who don't have arbitration rights on teams with no cap space. Heck even Nick Robertson should be exploring this option. Current compensation levels means he could sign a deal as high as $1.51mil with another team and that wouldn't even require a loss of a draft pick if the deal isn't matched. The Leafs could technically fit Robertson in at that number but it would require either shedding some cap space through trade or waivers with guys like Timmins and Holmberg and running a small roster. If he signs an offer sheet with a team as high as $2.29mil the Leafs would only get a 3rd as compensation but they might be forced to take it.
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I've been wondering about this with Robertson. I think it's actually a really interesting case for whether the RFA rules actually work.

As you point out, Robertson's issue is that as strapped as the leafs are, if he signs with someone for ~$1.5, the Leafs probably just match. No upside to letting him walk that easily. It's not 100% but other teams he'd be negotiating with would know this, so why put in the effort?

If he can get someone to sign him to $2.29, the Leafs probably have to let him go... but then you're left with injury prone, yet to break out Nick Robertson @ $2.3M. How sure are you that's something you really want? You're probably not going to gamble term on it, and in 12 months you're going to be looking at whether to qualify him at ~ $2.5ish? IF he's healthy AND IF he suddenly takes the next step, the upside is probably a discounted line 2 winger for 12 months weighed against what else can I do with $2.3M on my roster (plus that 3rd rounder)? Again, is it worth the effort of negotiating this deal?

It may yet happen, but in the meantime it suggests to me that at Robertson's end of the FA scale, the incentives in the CBA have been poorly built.

In the next iteration, they should probably be looking at this scenario. If you're Nick Robertson,  a AAAA quality player looking for a chance to prove yourself, having so little control over your destiny must be very frustrating. As a fan I don't want the Leafs losing assets on the cheap, but I feel for Nicky Bobby.




 
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1825868643839721581

Edit: Edmonton elected not to match. Both players are now St. Louis Blues
 
https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1825889303844557304
Wait they made a whatever trade for funsies/future considerations, just to balance it out a bit for no hard feelings?

Final transaction(s)
From Edmonton:
To St. Louis - Philip Broberg ($4,580,917 AAV x 2), Dylan Holloway ($2,290,457 AAV x 2)
To San Jose - Cody Ceci ($3.25M x 1), 2025 3rd (EDM)
To Vancouver - 2025 4th (OTT)

To Edmonton:
From St Louis - 2025 2nd (STL), 2025 3rd (STL), 2028 3rd (STL), rights to Paul Fischer (2023 5th rd pick)
From San Jose - Ty Emberson (950k x 1)
From Vancouver - Vasily Podkolzin (1M AAV x 2)
 
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