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GhostofPotvin29
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A good point made here about McLaren's uselessness:
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/12/11/leafs-notebook-december-11/
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/12/11/leafs-notebook-december-11/
Corn Flake
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CarltonTheBear said:
Riight. (you can tell how much thought I've put into this.
) I do want to see Lupul & Clarkson on the same line for a while at some point. I think there can eventually be some chemistry there with the right centre.
Corn Flake
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Great detailed breakdown of the Leafs PK from Gus Katsaros
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/12/10/maple-leafs-systems-the-penalty-kill/
He concludes that there isn't much change to the Leafs PK system.
He doesn't point it out in all cases but in the later evidence of some goals, I noted where the system isn't different but it simply breaks down. Basically just mistakes creeping in at times, or teams that are just damned good at scoring (ie: Pens).
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/12/10/maple-leafs-systems-the-penalty-kill/
He concludes that there isn't much change to the Leafs PK system.
He doesn't point it out in all cases but in the later evidence of some goals, I noted where the system isn't different but it simply breaks down. Basically just mistakes creeping in at times, or teams that are just damned good at scoring (ie: Pens).
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Corn Flake said:
I didn't have time to read that whole analysis, but to me there's a pretty clear difference between the PK in the past dozen or 15 games and the one before that. They now seem hellbent on doing the passive triangle thing where Jay McClement stands around between the circles with an "active stick" while Kulemin is the only guy actually moving around to put pressure on the perimeter guys. But he's only one skater, and so the opposing team can pretty easily pass it around and get good shots at the net. I've been at a view games recently and McClement's new standing role really stood out in a bad way.
When the PK is good they're playing a mobile box, where the man closest to the puck carrier applies pressure. It's in a mobile role where McClement is actually useful, as he seems reasonably good at forcing the D or high winger to make mistakes.
Why the team has suddenly reverted to a passive triangle I have no idea. It's almost like they're killing a 5 on 3 every penalty kill.
GhostofPotvin29
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Looking a little too eerily similar to 2011-12 right now:
GhostofPotvin29
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Mirtle's article today is worth a read: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/mirtle-carlyle-finally-unleashes-young-leafs-positive-results-follow/article15908332/?click=tglobe
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Do any of you stats guys know the Leaf's record when Lupul is in the lineup?
Brian Glennie said:
12-9-1. Almost the same point percentage as their overall record.
Potvin29 said:Looking a little too eerily similar to 2011-12 right now:
Is that just some normalizing of numbers over a greater sample size (games)? I mean, how many teams could keep that pace shown after 10-13 games over an entire 82 game season. Pretty much Chicago and Anaheim.
I think it will flatten out from here - we are about a 90 point team and hopefully not an 80 point team, but that will be decided in the months to come.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Potvin29 said:
That was great, thank for sharing Potvin.
Mirtle really is one of the best guys working in the MSM.
I would not be surprised to see his star rise in the near future and perhaps see him making more TV appearances.
GhostofPotvin29
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hap_leaf said:Potvin29 said:Looking a little too eerily similar to 2011-12 right now:
Is that just some normalizing of numbers over a greater sample size (games)? I mean, how many teams could keep that pace shown after 10-13 games over an entire 82 game season. Pretty much Chicago and Anaheim.
I think it will flatten out from here - we are about a 90 point team and hopefully not an 80 point team, but that will be decided in the months to come.
Depends what happens in the next little while. Was just startlingly similar to me.
I think the Leafs have elevated their game against some premiere teams (Dallas, SJ, Boston, LA).
Can they keep that going in the coming weeks?
With a bit of luck and skating like they have been lately, I could see the Leafs winning several games between Dec 17 and Jan 9:
(FLA, PHO, DET, NYR, BUF, CAR, DET, NYR, NYI, CAR).
Let's put together a nice winning streak, boys! GLG!!!
Can they keep that going in the coming weeks?
With a bit of luck and skating like they have been lately, I could see the Leafs winning several games between Dec 17 and Jan 9:
(FLA, PHO, DET, NYR, BUF, CAR, DET, NYR, NYI, CAR).
Let's put together a nice winning streak, boys! GLG!!!
ZBBM
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Potvin29 said:
Great article. It's sort of counterintuitive to pair two similar d-men, especially when neither is a defense-first guy, but if they use their speed and skating skill to move the puck out of our zone there are less giveaways on passes and more puck control time ... which means the other team isn't scoring on you.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Obviously it's early, but the way they moved the puck it reminded me of when Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo played some time together(I know the Blues tend to split them now).
mr grieves
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Or Murphy-Lidstrom helping dump the Flyers and their LoD in 4. The talent level and maturity isn't close, but pairing finesse to keep the forecheck a nonfactor turned out to be not a bad idea. Scotty Bowman's not a bad coach.
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