Leafs @ Hurricanes - Jan. 9th, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590

[GhostofPotvin29]

Good thing Orr has had a bunch of momentum shifting fights lately.

 

[Stronger Than All]

Yikes

 

[2badknees]

Heh. Well, I'm definitely no Gardiner fan, but clearly Fraser isn't the answer.

 

[ZBBM]

I think the crowd should have booed the Leafs off the ice.

I think we need some waffles...

remember, guys, this game is IN Carolina??...

And your point is? .... I'm sure Leafs fans are in the majority.

 

[bustaheims]

I guess the consensus is that we've been crap all the way back to March 1 or so, with an anomaly in the playoffs.

Their play was trending downwards in the latter half of the shortened season, yes, but, they were still a decent team. They still skated hard and all that, they just were showing signs that they weren't as good as their record. This season, they've yet to string together back to back quality 60 minute efforts - largely because they've only had a handful of them. The signs were pretty clear early in this season. This is not a team playing to it's full potential.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Carlyle probably loves that penalty.  He'll probably watch it over and over again.

 

[Stickytape]

One of the worst parts of all this is that when Carlyle eventually gets fired his hands will be all over losing two of our best, most consistent forwards.

And his influence is all over the team's worst contract, as well.

It's scary how much damage a coach has done to this franchise. A freaking coach.

Well, the good news is they were pretty brutal before Carlyle too.

And, I loved Grabbo as much as anyone, but if losing Mikhail Grabovski is a death knell to your franchise, your franchise blows.

No one is saying it's a death knell, but it's a significant loss, coupled with MacArthur.  Those two stay and some other moves probably aren't made, either.  Those two were very strong contributors.

Grabbo wasn't getting ice time, especially not much offensive ice time, so you could hardly say he was on the team even before the trade.  With Carlyle as coach, replacing him with someone that Carlyle WOULD play, and who WOULD be effective in the new system made a certain amount of sense.

The major problem is that he wasn't adequately replaced.  We sort of got Clarkson, I guess?  Different positions, but Grabbo's money was freed up (at least the part we aren't still paying him) largely to pay for Clarkson.  That's how a void was created.

 

[Jalili]

Airplane wifi is terribly slow. Is it possible for the Leafs drop out of the playoffs tonight? Or do they hold off for the Caps game, which has a former Leaf who hasn't yet got his inevitable goal against?

I was listening to the Dangle podcast on the last flight. Described Buffalo as a team with a horrific differentials, no offense, and lots of knuckle draggers wasting pretty excellent goaltending... Ring a bell? (not tonight -- 4 goals, Reimer!? But in general)

Yeah, the Leafs could very well find themselves in a 3 way tie for the last wildcard spot, and both other two teams (NYR and Carolina) will hold the tiebreaker over them.

 

[azzurri63]

S*it the bed and hope we get Ekblad.

 

[tusket]

Has Carlyle changed the top 2 lines any time recently?

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Rielly out with Gunnar now, I hope that means Fraser is stapled to the bench.

 

[ZBBM]

I guess the consensus is that we've been crap all the way back to March 1 or so, with an anomaly in the playoffs.

Their play was trending downwards in the latter half of the shortened season, yes, but, they were still a decent team. They still skated hard and all that, they just were showing signs that they weren't as good as their record. This season, they've yet to string together back to back quality 60 minute efforts - largely because they've only had a handful of them. The signs were pretty clear early in this season. This is not a team playing to it's full potential.

Well, I really mean it then when I say the playoffs were an anomaly, not the beginning of something to build from.  Nonis was duped into thinking this team was on the cusp of something bigger and better.

 

[MetalRaven]

Washington is one point back of the leafs and winning their game as well

 

[Arn]

It's 1.30am, I'm kind of tired. But if I go to sleep I know I'll just miss the best comeback of the season and the beginning of ent turn around and 12 game win streak that gets us into the playoffs.

Maybe I'm deliriously tired .

 

[Joe S.]

I think the crowd should have booed the Leafs off the ice.

In Carolina?

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

I think the crowd should have booed the Leafs off the ice.

I think we need some waffles...

remember, guys, this game is IN Carolina??...

And your point is? .... I'm sure Leafs fans are in the majority.

sorry!
just that in Carolina, they may not know about the waffle thing. And really? more Leaf fans there than Canes fans? I dunno?..

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I guess the consensus is that we've been crap all the way back to March 1 or so, with an anomaly in the playoffs.

Their play was trending downwards in the latter half of the shortened season, yes, but, they were still a decent team. They still skated hard and all that, they just were showing signs that they weren't as good as their record. This season, they've yet to string together back to back quality 60 minute efforts - largely because they've only had a handful of them. The signs were pretty clear early in this season. This is not a team playing to it's full potential.

Well, I really mean it then when I say the playoffs were an anomaly, not the beginning of something to build from.  Nonis was duped into thinking this team was on the cusp of something bigger and better.

They had a lucky short season basically and then doubled-down on "grit" type players not recognizing that their scoring wasn't sustainable the way they were playing.

 

[2badknees]

Its great that Lieweke has planned the parade route, but refuses to to commit to a rebuild.

 

[bustaheims]

Rielly out with Gunnar now, I hope that means Fraser is stapled to the bench.

More likely means he'll be paired with Franson, on the slowest defensive pairing of all time.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin 34s
Just wanting the Leafs to be better isn't enough.  They just don't have the talent. Don't have a No. 1 goalie.  Part of mushy middle.

Talent and goaltending is all this team has.