maplesyrup
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Madferret said:
I think they have the pieces too however, I think they were wise to not pay that crazy deadline price.
Nonis using depth to go shopping....
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I think they have the pieces too however, I think they were wise to not pay that crazy deadline price.
bustaheims
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SGT said:
Based on the what Columbus was rumoured to be asking for him at the deadline, the Bruins would be looking at Marchand, Caron, Hamilton and a 1st round pick to get close to a deal.
maplesyrup
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bustaheims said:
I've heard from a Bruin's fan (FWIW) that the folks in the organization (he mentioned Neely specifically) isn't too happy with the way Lucic mailed it in during the playoffs. Also, with Kelly just signed to a 3 mil deal, I suspect they just might be okay with Bergeron, Seguin, and Kelly, 1-2-3 down the middle so I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of those guys (Lucic & Krejci) moved in any deal involving Nash.
bustaheims
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Bender said:
Sadly, that's actually less than he was asking at the deadline, if there's any truth to the NYR rumours.
hockeyfan1
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Bender said:
Well now, imagine what a player of Lucic's size (& calibre) might do for the Leafs.
IMO Howson IS out of his mind. It's like a team would have to throw everything but the kitchen sink, to qoute a quote, to obtain Nash. Silly!
Kin
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Bender said:
I think you're presupposing something that really isn't true here. I think that Howson actively doesn't want to trade Rick Nash. I think the fact that it got a lot of play at the deadline is really just because he was open to the possibility but, again, being open to that possibility is a long way from wanting to deal him or actively shopping him.
Keep in mind that Columbus isn't Toronto. Their attendance, per ESPN, was only 14,600 last year. I've heard a lot of reports of Columbus losing tons of money. One of the things that we take for granted in Toronto is that a long rebuild is possible, or even appealing, by virtue of the ever present attendance but in a place like Columbus(or in a better case scenario, New Jersey) giving their fans the hope that they'll compete is a very important part of their financial health. In Toronto they could say "We'll be good in 5 years" and worst case scenario is the season ticket wait list gets a little shorter. In a place like Columbus fans will react with "Alright, we'll buy tickets again in five years".
Nash is the team Captain as well as the face of the franchise. Trading him is a pretty clear cut sign that they're entering a rebuilding phase. The only way to make that palatable to a fanbase is to make out like a bandit. You can't sell it on draft picks or prospects.
Howson's approach with Nash makes sense, I think, in the long run if you consider the actual tangible needs of the franchise. Yeah, a lesser package might be better for the team strictly on the ice but if the team is in Quebec City then it probably doesn't matter a ton.
Kin
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Bender said:
I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to there but assuming you mean the noise being made about Nash's availability I think there are two pretty reasonable explanations. The first is that I think Nash is himself genuinely interested in playing somewhere else and the second is that the trade market was so inflated last year.
The first sort of explains itself. If a player doesn't want to be where he is then it makes sense for a team to explore dealing him. The particular contractual situation between Nash and the Jackets, however, means that they're under no obligation to trade him and so their efforts in that direction can be entirely exploratory.
The second, I mean, in a world where Paul Gaustad is worth a 1st round pick I'm sure some people thought that there was an opportunity to move Nash and get a king's ransom for him. Keep in mind what kept getting said at the deadline about why there was so much inaction. The price on just about everyone was prohibitively high. Nash really wasn't a special case in that regard.
Bender said:
I'd sure hope none of them work for the Leafs. That'd just be abject stupidity on their part. Their phone lines should be open to anyone who could present a deal that could help their club.
A lot of chatter that Evander Kane doesn't want to negotiate with Winnipeg. This could be a Kessel-Boston type situation where the player just wants out for whatever reason.
I would give up A LOT for Evander Kane. A 20 year old, 30 goal scorer, big/strong power forward, who has all the tools to be one of those PPG type of players you lean on for years.
If we drafted a guy like this at #5 I'm pretty sure we would be ecstatic. I'm sure the Jets would ask for a lot. Worth it?
I would give up A LOT for Evander Kane. A 20 year old, 30 goal scorer, big/strong power forward, who has all the tools to be one of those PPG type of players you lean on for years.
If we drafted a guy like this at #5 I'm pretty sure we would be ecstatic. I'm sure the Jets would ask for a lot. Worth it?
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Erndog said:
Yes, yes and yes.
I would gladly give up the #5 for Kane, and then quite a bit after that. Anyone except Gardiner I would add to that trade. The knock on a deal like this would be .. like Kessel.. is you miss out on the rookie contract years and savings but for me you also don't have to wait for the player to develop.
Poor Jets. They are going to have a lot of ongoing trouble like this.
maplesyrup
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If I wanted Kane & #9 and offered #5 + X, what would X need to be?
bustaheims
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SGT said:
Substantial. Moving from 9th to 5th is probably the equivalent of a pair of 2nd round picks. So, for that X, you're probably looking at a 2 of Gardiner, Kadri, Colborne, Kulemin, Ashton and some other smaller pieces on either side to fill things out.
maplesyrup
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bustaheims said:
Think they'd bite at just one of those + Mac?
bustaheims
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SGT said:
Doubtful.
maplesyrup
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bustaheims said:
If the Jets feel they can do better than #5, MacArthur and one of our top 3 prospects for Kane and #9, well, all the power to them. That's probably where I'd feel comfortable.