Nonis using depth to go shopping....
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Corn Flake
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Bob McKenzie just dropped Bobby Ryan's name being on the market again.
Argh.. here comes the insanity.
Argh.. here comes the insanity.
bustaheims
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Corn Flake said:
There's one of the few players I'd be willing to trade the 5th overall pick for.
bustaheims
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jonlleafs said:
Pending UFA Jordan Staal who can't sign an extension until more than a week after the draft? Not without some sort of virtually ironclad assurance he'll sign on the dotted line on July 1st.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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jonlleafs said:
#5 overall for 1 year of J. Stall?
GER said:
No, you're trading for him in the hopes of signing him to a multi-year deal. If you don't get his rights and he stays with Pitts, the chances are he will resign there or could be traded somewhere else to be signed to a long term deal. He's an Ontario boy so he'll probably want to sign long term with the Leafs.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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jonlleafs said:
It's asset management like that that will sink this team even further. I wouldn't trade #5 in "hope" of resigning J. Staal.
GER said:
Are you serious? You would trade for him, knowing you get him for at least a year and sign him right away. Obviously, you would like some assurances from him that he has interest in signing with your team. But we did this with Kessel and we got him signed. Or would you much rather have a iron clad, long term contract ala Luongo before you did any deal? C'mon.
bustaheims
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jonlleafs said:
The Kessel situation was vastly different. He was an RFA, which means the Leafs had been free to negotiate with him for a couple months before the trade went down. They already had the contract worked out, and it was just a matter of whether it would be an offer sheet or a trade. None of that exists with Staal. The Leafs can't negotiate before a trade without Pittsburgh's permission, and, even if they grant it, no deal can be signed before July 1st. You're talkign about trading away a very valuable asset in the 5th overall pick for 1 season of Staal and the hope that they'll be able to work something out. That's jsut as poor asset management as trading the pick for Luongo.
BlueWhiteBlood
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jonlleafs said:
Difference was that Kessel was RFA, not pending UFA, there's a huge difference.
EDIT: Busta beat.
bustaheims
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Also, can we stop with the whole "he's from Ontario, he'll want to sign long-term with the Leafs" thing, please? How many times have we said this about a player and how many times has it actually happened?
The prevailing wisdom with Staal is, if he leave Pittsburgh, he'll want to play with one of his brothers, which means there are strong odds that next summer he'll be signing in Carolina or with the Rangers.
The prevailing wisdom with Staal is, if he leave Pittsburgh, he'll want to play with one of his brothers, which means there are strong odds that next summer he'll be signing in Carolina or with the Rangers.
Nik? said:
Sure fine, let me re-word it. We put in the deal that we talk to him first and see if there is interest in signing or have a contract in place and once the deal goes through, he signs it. He can't sign an extension before the deal is made.
I am from the stance that you don't deal away 1st rounders unless of extraordinary opportunities. I'm probably one of the more patient fans out there who will wait until Burke gets it right because I think he's the best GM we've had even since beyond Quinn and Quinn got us to the Conference Finals. From the way I see it, I keep the #5 pick unless we can get one of Ryan/Staal/Getzlaf or someone of that caliber.
Edit: And I know I've opened up a can of worms by saying Burke is the best GM blah blah. I'll explain. I can look past the pressers and his media stuff and get down to what he has done for the team and yeah, he started with this ambitious view of revamping the team quickly, but I think he's learned that he can't at least with the assets he's had and he's built up the cupboard with lots of prospects. We haven't had this many good prospects in the last 10yrs all on the AHL team. If we have, please give me an example. On top of this, Burke's made some pretty astounding trades. Not all of them work out but name one GM where all his trades work out? Trades/signings that come to mind are Lupul/Gardiner, Phaneuf/Aulie (Aulie being the best piece of it), Bozak signing (bunch of teams were after him). Point is, he gets things done. He (most of the time) signs players to reasonable contracts unlike JFJ. JFJ would have handed McArthur probably a 5yr $5mil/yr contract. Just my view of things.
bustaheims
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jonlleafs said:
He also can't sign an extension until July 1st, which means, if this year's 1st round pick is involved in the deal, an extension can not be.
bustaheims said:
Is there risk sure? Give me an alternative for a #1 center that we can possibly attain at this point in time? You can name anyone and there is still risk.
And the thing is, if you make a mistake here, you lose a first round draft pick in a weaker than normal draft where scouts aren't sure who will pan out and they can't even nail down a consensus 1 through 10. But people are ok with trading for Luongo who may or may not pan out even in the next 2-3yrs let alone be stuck with him and his contract that will last us another 10yrs?