Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
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Kin
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Brian Glennie said:
It's kind of tough for me to separate my enjoyment of watching Phaneuf play from my general frustration with the lousiness of the Leafs. I think Phaneuf's been exposed a little with the Leafs as not really being a top flight #1 which makes for some painful moments but that doesn't cloud my read of him as being a good, even very good, player.
hockeyfan1
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Tigger said:
I do, too (when he plays well).
I don't when he doesn't (the Leafs being lousy adds to the dislike).
Brian Glennie
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hockeyfan1 said:
From the MOTM Season Wrap-up:
Top 5 in various categories....
POINTS
Bernier 28.5
Kessel 27
Kadri 24
Reimer 23
Rielly 18
NO. ACCOLADES
Bernier 19
Reimer 16
Kadri 15
Kessel 14
Booth 9 (!)
TIMES VOTED:
Bernier 30
Kadri 29
Kessel 21
Santorelli 21
Reimer 20
Dion's on his fourth coach in the last three years and he's not even in the conversation when it comes to who's the best player on a really lousy team.
No one's going to trade for a player who has those kind of questions about his commitment and leadership style.
Kin
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Brian Glennie said:
I don't want to denigrate the fun we have with MOTM but it's really not meant as or effectively a measurement of which players are better than the other.
And everyone on the team is on their third coach in four years. That's really just a reflection of the talent level of the club, not any individual shortcoming.
bustaheims
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Brian Glennie said:
Except that those question seem to be coming almost exclusively from fans. The opinions of hockey professionals are likely very different.
GhostofPotvin29
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One day TMLFans.ca MOTM's rankings will be allowed in Arbitration hearings. One day...
L K
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Nik the Trik said:
In general I find a lot of the votes go to young players/3rd or 4th liners in losses unless someone like Kessel puts up 500 points in a game. 5 minutes of hustle from a David Booth gets more nods than Phaneuf playing great for 22 minutes but having one boneheaded giveaway.
L K said:
I've always found that funny how fans key on a specific play or plays and attribute it to one player as being the focal point of the failure to prevent a goal.
I suspect that if I watched Chara or Pronger as much as I watched Phanuef, that the number of mistakes that they make during the course of a game isn't substantially less than those made by Phanuef. I believe that the teams around Pronger and Chara allowed them to make mistakes but not have them end up resulting in a goal.
Significantly Insignificant said:
An excellent point. This has happened before.
It happened to Alan Stanley in Boston (went to Leafs & was on the 1060's Cup winning teams), to Bill Gadsby (20 years in the 6 team NHL and zero Cups) and most notably to Pierre Pilote (Chicago booed their captain out of town... to Toronto) and for a while Frank Mahovlich was treated with disdain here (too lazy). More recently it was Larry Murphy.
Chev-boyar-sky
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caveman said:
Let's hope he miraculously becomes the GM of the Coyotes in the next 48 hours!
Chev-boyar-sky
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Throwing out some FA names that I hope we're in on (mainly for deadline trade purposes).
No deals longer than 3 years.
Joel Ward
Zybnek Michalek
Daniel Winnik
Curtis Glencross
Depending on the $$ (and therefore unlikely), Mike Fisher, Drew Stafford, Antoine Vermette, Paul Martin and Christian Ehrhoff.
I'd only sign guys to contracts that are movable. No UFA premium stuff, unless the term were less (we could always retain salary if it were higher $ lower term).
Hopefully will pick up a couple nice pieces for the next couple of deadlines.
No deals longer than 3 years.
Joel Ward
Zybnek Michalek
Daniel Winnik
Curtis Glencross
Depending on the $$ (and therefore unlikely), Mike Fisher, Drew Stafford, Antoine Vermette, Paul Martin and Christian Ehrhoff.
I'd only sign guys to contracts that are movable. No UFA premium stuff, unless the term were less (we could always retain salary if it were higher $ lower term).
Hopefully will pick up a couple nice pieces for the next couple of deadlines.
LuncheonMeat
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Apparently from Damien Cox:
Update: 6pm - Sportsnet's Damien Cox reports that the Leafs asking price for center Tyler Bozak is a second round pick.
I would be fine with that, although I would hope it's closer to the top of the round than the bottom.
Update: 6pm - Sportsnet's Damien Cox reports that the Leafs asking price for center Tyler Bozak is a second round pick.
I would be fine with that, although I would hope it's closer to the top of the round than the bottom.
bustaheims
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LuncheonMeat said:
Sound about right. They'll probably have to take a contract back to make it work, but I imagine they'll come close to getting that kind of value.
mr grieves
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Not exactly sure where this should go for discussion, but it's a management strategy, conceived in an armchair (or thereabouts), so here seems fine.
Tweeter 67sound proposed the following on Twitter. I just copy/pasted.
Tweeter 67sound proposed the following on Twitter. I just copy/pasted.
bustaheims
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The thing that needs to be remembered about offer sheets is that you have to use your own picks as compensation, not those you acquire. That makes the strategy being set out here a little tricky and really confines you to probably having to overpay for mid-tier talent in terms of cap in order to actually get the other team not to match. So, I think that part of his strategy is pretty flawed. I agree with him about a lot of the other stuff - it's important to avoid having too many mid-level guys signed to overpayments, and that trading them for picks/prospects is the best strategy for continued success under the cap (as long as you draft well, or flip the picks/prospects you acquire for cheaper, younger, similar calibre players).
Kin
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When this guy says that the team would have a ton of cap space to buy stars...what stars can be bought? Or even offer-sheeted?
In general I agree that what we've seen of the UFA market tells us that it's not an efficient way to acquire players so fair go on that and in general I agree but I think even if this strategy did show promise all you'll actually accomplish is raising the rates on the RFA market which will then bite the team when they're trying to retain their own. I think the reason teams don't offer-sheet is because they know that having the control over their RFA's the way they do is good for them all in the long run.
In general I agree that what we've seen of the UFA market tells us that it's not an efficient way to acquire players so fair go on that and in general I agree but I think even if this strategy did show promise all you'll actually accomplish is raising the rates on the RFA market which will then bite the team when they're trying to retain their own. I think the reason teams don't offer-sheet is because they know that having the control over their RFA's the way they do is good for them all in the long run.