Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs

[Britishbulldog]

I would suggest:

Trades

TOR Sanheim, T Lecavalier, V Umberger, R Additional Details: - PHI 2015 1st RD Pick (7th Overall)

PHI Kessel, P.

TOR Pokka, V Bickell, B Additional Details: - CHI 2016 3rd Rd Pick

CHI Frattin, M. Additional Details: - TOR 2016 5th Rd Pick

TOR Semin, A Additional Details: - CAR 2015 1st RD Pick (5th Overall)

CAR Phaneuf, D

TOR Additional Details: - SJ 2015 1st Rd Pick (9th Overall)

SJS Bernier, J. Additional Details: - NSH 2015 1st Rd Pick (24th Overall)

That leaves Kadri, Bozak and Gardiner as assets and saves Polak for the deadline.

'94 Rielly LD
'94 Pokka RD
'96 Nylander RW
'96 Sanheim LD (Phi)
'97 Hanifin LD (Pho 3rd Overall)
'97 Strome C
'97 Crouse LW (Phi 7th Overall)
'97 Werenski RD (SJS 9th Overall)

...add JVR, Kadri, Holland + 2016 1st pick for pending UFA Polak and Leafs 2016 1st pick

....or the Leafs could go status quo moving NOBODY and with great coaching the next 2 years miss the playoffs by less than 4 points each time and get a terrible draft position.

So I guess Boston is blowing it up this year instead of Toronto.  I think my adaptation of that guys series of trades for draft picks almost resembled reality this year.

I guess the Leafs are going status quo like with the Muskoka Five days.  Figures.  Go Boston!

 

[Kin]

So I guess Boston is blowing it up this year instead of Toronto.  I think my adaptation of that guys series of trades for draft picks almost resembled reality this year.

I guess the Leafs are going status quo like with the Muskoka Five days.  Figures.  Go Boston!

Or you wildly overestimated the value of the players the Leafs were trying to move when compared to players like Lucic and Hamilton.

There's really not a single realistic trade on that list.

 

[Britishbulldog]

So I guess Boston is blowing it up this year instead of Toronto.  I think my adaptation of that guys series of trades for draft picks almost resembled reality this year.

I guess the Leafs are going status quo like with the Muskoka Five days.  Figures.  Go Boston!

Or you wildly overestimated the value of the players the Leafs were trying to move when compared to players like Lucic and Hamilton.

There's really not a single realistic trade on that list.

No, deliberately not one.  I think that is the issue with some of us Leaf fans as I perused that cap site.  Unrealistic evaluations and high hopes. 

What I find humourous is that when the Leafs management stated that they were going into full rebuild mode everyone began to talk about the need to dismantle the ineffective core and how nice that was going to be. Getting young assets for for the core.  Here we are on the other side of the 1st round and not 1 core player was moved.

OTOH, I mocked Boston because they dumped Seguin, Boychuk, Lucic and Hamilton, didn't re-sign Iginla or Edm captain Ference while paying Rask $7.5 MIL, Bergeron $8.75 and Krecji $7.25 and decided to keep Siedenberg, Krug instead and made weird draft choices yesterday....so I guess the Leafs situation could be worse.  Stanley Cup contenders to irrelevant in a couple of years. Wow.

 

[Redleaf]

So I guess Boston is blowing it up this year instead of Toronto.  I think my adaptation of that guys series of trades for draft picks almost resembled reality this year.

I guess the Leafs are going status quo like with the Muskoka Five days.  Figures.  Go Boston!

Or you wildly overestimated the value of the players the Leafs were trying to move when compared to players like Lucic and Hamilton.

There's really not a single realistic trade on that list.

No, deliberately not one.  I think that is the issue with some of us Leaf fans as I perused that cap site.  Unrealistic evaluations and high hopes. 

What I find humourous is that when the Leafs management stated that they were going into full rebuild mode everyone began to talk about the need to dismantle the ineffective core and how nice that was going to be. Getting young assets for for the core.  Here we are on the other side of the 1st round and not 1 core player was moved.

OTOH, I mocked Boston because they dumped Seguin, Boychuk, Lucic and Hamilton, didn't re-sign Iginla or Edm captain Ference while paying Rask $7.5 MIL, Bergeron $8.75 and Krecji $7.25 and decided to keep Siedenberg, Krug instead and made weird draft choices yesterday....so I guess the Leafs situation could be worse.  Stanley Cup contenders to irrelevant in a couple of years. Wow.

So in your mind, they blew it. It's over? There is tons of time to rid the team of these guys. Here's a paper bag. Breath in and out slowly.

 

[Kin]

What I find humourous is that when the Leafs management stated that they were going into full rebuild mode everyone began to talk about the need to dismantle the ineffective core and how nice that was going to be. Getting young assets for for the core.  Here we are on the other side of the 1st round and not 1 core player was moved.

There were also people who were talking about how the core of this team wasn't worth much. Would it have made you happy if Kessel was dealt for a late first round pick yesterday? Or Phaneuf for a second? They can only make trades other teams will agree to.

If they actually go to camp with these guys that might be one thing but odds are that if the Leafs were offered very little yesterday then those deals will still be around in a few weeks and the possibility that the Leafs were ever going to move some of their less attractive contracts was always slim.

 

[Frank E]

What I find humourous is that when the Leafs management stated that they were going into full rebuild mode everyone began to talk about the need to dismantle the ineffective core and how nice that was going to be. Getting young assets for for the core.  Here we are on the other side of the 1st round and not 1 core player was moved.

There were also people who were talking about how the core of this team wasn't worth much. Would it have made you happy if Kessel was dealt for a late first round pick yesterday? Or Phaneuf for a second? They can only make trades other teams will agree to.

If they actually go to camp with these guys that might be one thing but odds are that if the Leafs were offered very little yesterday then those deals will still be around in a few weeks and the possibility that the Leafs were ever going to move some of their less attractive contracts was always slim.

But I still think it's reasonable to be disappointed.  I think most of us were expecting at least one of them to go.

If they can move some of them before September, then great.  I'll be pleased. 

If they go into camp with the same bunch....

 

[Kin]

But I still think it's reasonable to be disappointed.  I think most of us were expecting at least one of them to go.

If they can move some of them before September, then great.  I'll be pleased. 

If they go into camp with the same bunch....

But are you disappointed that they're unable to move them at all? Or upset that the rest of the league didn't trip over themselves to offer them the moon for guys who had bad years last year?

Because yesterday doesn't prove the former and I don't think it is reasonable to be disappointed over the latter.

We know, for instance, that the Blackhawks have to move Patrick Sharp. They didn't move him yesterday. Teams who are under pressure to make moves are going to be waited out by teams in the hope that prices drop. I appreciate wishing that the Leafs would have walked away with more first rounders yesterday but, again, look at the price of a first rounder yesterday.

 

[Frank E]

But I still think it's reasonable to be disappointed.  I think most of us were expecting at least one of them to go.

If they can move some of them before September, then great.  I'll be pleased. 

If they go into camp with the same bunch....

But are you disappointed that they're unable to move them at all? Or upset that the rest of the league didn't trip over themselves to offer them the moon for guys who had bad years last year?

Because yesterday doesn't prove the former and I don't think it is reasonable to be disappointed over the latter.

We know, for instance, that the Blackhawks have to move Patrick Sharp. They didn't move him yesterday. Teams who are under pressure to make moves are going to be waited out by teams in the hope that prices drop. I appreciate wishing that the Leafs would have walked away with more first rounders yesterday but, again, look at the price of a first rounder yesterday.

I think it is reasonable to be disappointed that the Leafs didn't make a deal to get another piece of elite talent yesterday.  I think many would agree with that statement, and it was reasonable to expect to Leafs to be in acquisition mode with respect to elite talent in a pretty decent draft.

And you're making some pretty strong assumption with respect to the Chicago cap situation, including the assumption that a bunch of teams are waiting each other out in an attempt to get a better deal on a particular player.  I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you.

 

[Kin]

I think it is reasonable to be disappointed that the Leafs didn't make a deal to get another piece of elite talent yesterday.  I think many would agree with that statement, and it was reasonable to expect to Leafs to be in acquisition mode with respect to elite talent in a pretty decent draft.

You're right. I'm very disappointed in those vague, non-committal aspirations.

And you're making some pretty strong assumption with respect to the Chicago cap situation

No I'm not. Everyone and their grandma is saying that Sharp is being dealt.

 

[rdowdall]

No I'm not. Everyone and their grandma is saying that Sharp is being dealt.

I just talked to my Grandma.  She says he is staying. I'm so ashamed of my Grandma right now.

 

[sneakyray]

Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050  2m2 minutes ago
Brendan Shanahan says the Leafs didn't really come close to making a trade this weekend.

this team needs to trade at least 2 of bozak, kessel, phaneuf, lupul.

I might not watch a game if they open up the season with all of those guys still here.

 

[Bender]

Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050  2m2 minutes ago
Brendan Shanahan says the Leafs didn't really come close to making a trade this weekend.

this team needs to trade at least 2 of bozak, kessel, phaneuf, lupul.

I might not watch a game if they open up the season with all of those guys still here.

Not trading them doesn't mean they aren't priorities to be traded when the right deal comes along

 

[bustaheims]

Not trading them doesn't mean they aren't priorities to be traded when the right deal comes along

Exactly. Much better to wait and make the right deal than to make a deal just to get it over with. Players will be moved. The team is not going to be stripped down and rebuilt in a weekend. These things take time if you want to do it right.

 

[Kin]

this team needs to trade at least 2 of bozak, kessel, phaneuf, lupul.

Trading Bozak and Lupul is going to be difficult. They're two guys who have essentially proven themselves to be bad bets because of their contracts.

The reason you want them gone so badly is the reason it'll be tough to do it.

 

[Tigger]

Looking at this two ways, teams up against the cap didn't fare well in the trade department, Chicago did nothing, Boston looks like they crapped the bed. Toronto should be overly patient at this time, they have no cap issues and need to turn over the roster in the most effective way possible and that will probably take more time than cap strapped teams.

 

[sneakyray]

this team needs to trade at least 2 of bozak, kessel, phaneuf, lupul.

Trading Bozak and Lupul is going to be difficult. They're two guys who have essentially proven themselves to be bad bets because of their contracts.

The reason you want them gone so badly is the reason it'll be tough to do it.

I'll give them the rest of the summer to do something but I am going to be super dissapointed if those 4 players are still on this team for game 1.

 

[Andy007]

this team needs to trade at least 2 of bozak, kessel, phaneuf, lupul.

Trading Bozak and Lupul is going to be difficult. They're two guys who have essentially proven themselves to be bad bets because of their contracts.

The reason you want them gone so badly is the reason it'll be tough to do it.

I'll give them the rest of the summer to do something but I am going to be super dissapointed if those 4 players are still on this team for game 1.

Lupul cannot be traded before the season starts. The only thing that makes sense is to get him 100% healthy, give him a ton of minutes and hope he can put up some good numbers. And then you trade him. But at least you are generously giving the Leafs the whole summer, it's very big of you.

 

[Tigger]

this team needs to trade at least 2 of bozak, kessel, phaneuf, lupul.

Trading Bozak and Lupul is going to be difficult. They're two guys who have essentially proven themselves to be bad bets because of their contracts.

The reason you want them gone so badly is the reason it'll be tough to do it.

I'll give them the rest of the summer to do something but I am going to be super dissapointed if those 4 players are still on this team for game 1.

Yeah, disappointed but not overly. My guess is that two of them won't be there at the start of next season.

 

[sneakyray]

this team needs to trade at least 2 of bozak, kessel, phaneuf, lupul.

Trading Bozak and Lupul is going to be difficult. They're two guys who have essentially proven themselves to be bad bets because of their contracts.

The reason you want them gone so badly is the reason it'll be tough to do it.

I'll give them the rest of the summer to do something but I am going to be super dissapointed if those 4 players are still on this team for game 1.

Yeah, disappointed but not overly. My guess is that two of them won't be there at the start of next season.

thats my hope too. 

 

[sneakyray]

this team needs to trade at least 2 of bozak, kessel, phaneuf, lupul.

Trading Bozak and Lupul is going to be difficult. They're two guys who have essentially proven themselves to be bad bets because of their contracts.

The reason you want them gone so badly is the reason it'll be tough to do it.

I'll give them the rest of the summer to do something but I am going to be super dissapointed if those 4 players are still on this team for game 1.

Lupul cannot be traded before the season starts. The only thing that makes sense is to get him 100% healthy, give him a ton of minutes and hope he can put up some good numbers. And then you trade him. But at least you are generously giving the Leafs the whole summer, it's very big of you.

so why shouldn't I expect that some of the core not be moved by the beginning of next season.  After the way last season ended I shouldn't be dissapointed if the same guys are coming back next year?