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[Kin]

ssing it.  Most of his goals are from in close, and those in which he sets up a shot from moderate distance are generally wrist shots up high.  Ideally, I'd like to see his point shots low and hard, though I wouldn't be surpassed to see some "pass-shots" directed to the net.  busta's mention of Kaberle is probably a fair one, and ultimately I'm sure if given time, Kadri will make good passing and shooting decisions.  I'm just curious overall to see how he plays the point, how teams adapt to him, and how his play on the point may evolve.

That's fair. I think something to remember is that when you look at what teams occasionally do with forwards on the point like Tampa used to with Richards or Pittsburgh with Malkin is that the forwards in question do seem to know they're being asked to do something significantly different than what they typically do and that they tend to be versatile enough to add wrinkles to their game when asked.

 

[herman]

Herman, congratulations on attaining Marlie status.  Your posts are a welcome addition to the site

+1 Guy stands out as a solid member.

Thanks, new friends, for making me feel so welcome!

I just read this latest piece from Siegel on Bozak's emergence, esp. on PP.

?Obviously when you?ve got guys out there like James, Phil, Naz, and Dion, a lot of attention is going to be on them so I just try and slip under the radar and get to spots where guys aren?t,? he said afterward.

[...]

Bozak is a historically efficient shooter ? career 17.1 per cent ? something he says is by design, a recognition of where he figures he?ll be most able to score. ?I don?t really take too many shots from the outside in areas where I don?t think I?ll be able to score,? he explained. ?I try and limit my shots to the grade-A scoring areas and give myself a good chance to score every time I shoot.?

When he was first signed, I though Bozak was Stajan 2.0 at a cheaper rate. Turns out he is not so vanilla, and is opportunistic and kind of sneaky. I'm still drooling over that goal he chipped over Holtby when he suddenly reversed that rocket pass from Kessel at the goalmouth.

-- Edit: Sorry, bad connection = multiple duplicate posts

 

[Redleaf]

Herman, congratulations on attaining Marlie status.  Your posts are a welcome addition to the site

+1 Guy stands out as a solid member.

Thanks, new friends, for making me feel so welcome!

I just read this latest piece from Siegel on Bozak's emergence, esp. on PP.

?Obviously when you?ve got guys out there like James, Phil, Naz, and Dion, a lot of attention is going to be on them so I just try and slip under the radar and get to spots where guys aren?t,? he said afterward.

[...]

Bozak is a historically efficient shooter ? career 17.1 per cent ? something he says is by design, a recognition of where he figures he?ll be most able to score. ?I don?t really take too many shots from the outside in areas where I don?t think I?ll be able to score,? he explained. ?I try and limit my shots to the grade-A scoring areas and give myself a good chance to score every time I shoot.?

When he was first signed, I though Bozak was Stajan 2.0 at a cheaper rate. Turns out he is not so vanilla, and is opportunistic and kind of sneaky. I'm still drooling over that goal he chipped over Holtby when he suddenly reversed that rocket pass from Kessel at the goalmouth.

It seems the more people that suggest Bozak is merely an average player riding the coattails of Kessel, the more he proves them wrong. This year he's starting to silence even the most cynical of critics. I love it! Bozak's deserves to be on that top line. Plain and simple.

 

[Highlander]

Agreed Bozak is finding his higher player, let Kadri really earn it. Best way possible

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Herman, congratulations on attaining Marlie status.  Your posts are a welcome addition to the site

+1 Guy stands out as a solid member.

Thanks, new friends, for making me feel so welcome!

I just read this latest piece from Siegel on Bozak's emergence, esp. on PP.

?Obviously when you?ve got guys out there like James, Phil, Naz, and Dion, a lot of attention is going to be on them so I just try and slip under the radar and get to spots where guys aren?t,? he said afterward.

[...]

Bozak is a historically efficient shooter ? career 17.1 per cent ? something he says is by design, a recognition of where he figures he?ll be most able to score. ?I don?t really take too many shots from the outside in areas where I don?t think I?ll be able to score,? he explained. ?I try and limit my shots to the grade-A scoring areas and give myself a good chance to score every time I shoot.?

When he was first signed, I though Bozak was Stajan 2.0 at a cheaper rate. Turns out he is not so vanilla, and is opportunistic and kind of sneaky. I'm still drooling over that goal he chipped over Holtby when he suddenly reversed that rocket pass from Kessel at the goalmouth.

It seems the more people that suggest Bozak is merely an average player riding the coattails of Kessel, the more he proves them wrong. This year he's starting to silence even the most cynical of critics. I love it! Bozak's deserves to be on that top line. Plain and simple.

Nah, he doesn't, but he's doing very well so far this season.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/12/1/7312047/how-many-points-will-tyler-bozak-score-this-season

 

[applecheeks]

Herman, congratulations on attaining Marlie status.  Your posts are a welcome addition to the site

+1 Guy stands out as a solid member.

Thanks, new friends, for making me feel so welcome!

I just read this latest piece from Siegel on Bozak's emergence, esp. on PP.

?Obviously when you?ve got guys out there like James, Phil, Naz, and Dion, a lot of attention is going to be on them so I just try and slip under the radar and get to spots where guys aren?t,? he said afterward.

[...]

Bozak is a historically efficient shooter ? career 17.1 per cent ? something he says is by design, a recognition of where he figures he?ll be most able to score. ?I don?t really take too many shots from the outside in areas where I don?t think I?ll be able to score,? he explained. ?I try and limit my shots to the grade-A scoring areas and give myself a good chance to score every time I shoot.?

When he was first signed, I though Bozak was Stajan 2.0 at a cheaper rate. Turns out he is not so vanilla, and is opportunistic and kind of sneaky. I'm still drooling over that goal he chipped over Holtby when he suddenly reversed that rocket pass from Kessel at the goalmouth.

It seems the more people that suggest Bozak is merely an average player riding the coattails of Kessel, the more he proves them wrong. This year he's starting to silence even the most cynical of critics. I love it! Bozak's deserves to be on that top line. Plain and simple.

Agreed, plain and simple. improving every game. He's starting to show another gear of speed.

 

[freer]

Herman, congratulations on attaining Marlie status.  Your posts are a welcome addition to the site

+1 Guy stands out as a solid member.

Thanks, new friends, for making me feel so welcome!

I just read this latest piece from Siegel on Bozak's emergence, esp. on PP.

?Obviously when you?ve got guys out there like James, Phil, Naz, and Dion, a lot of attention is going to be on them so I just try and slip under the radar and get to spots where guys aren?t,? he said afterward.

[...]

Bozak is a historically efficient shooter ? career 17.1 per cent ? something he says is by design, a recognition of where he figures he?ll be most able to score. ?I don?t really take too many shots from the outside in areas where I don?t think I?ll be able to score,? he explained. ?I try and limit my shots to the grade-A scoring areas and give myself a good chance to score every time I shoot.?

When he was first signed, I though Bozak was Stajan 2.0 at a cheaper rate. Turns out he is not so vanilla, and is opportunistic and kind of sneaky. I'm still drooling over that goal he chipped over Holtby when he suddenly reversed that rocket pass from Kessel at the goalmouth.

It seems the more people that suggest Bozak is merely an average player riding the coattails of Kessel, the more he proves them wrong. This year he's starting to silence even the most cynical of critics. I love it! Bozak's deserves to be on that top line. Plain and simple.

Nah, he doesn't, but he's doing very well so far this season.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/12/1/7312047/how-many-points-will-tyler-bozak-score-this-season

Who writes these article. Are they actual hockey people or more hockey fans like us. Articles kind of remind me or reading Eckland trade rumors.(Spelling)

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Who writes these article. Are they actual hockey people or more hockey fans like us.

What's the difference?

 

[freer]

Who writes these article. Are they actual hockey people or more hockey fans like us.

What's the difference?

Because if it is just written by a fan, and not someone who gets paid to study hockey stats or know the game. I dont want to pay any more attention to it.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Because if it is just written by a fan, and not someone who gets paid to study hockey stats or know the game. I dont want to pay any more attention to it.

I don't get paid to write my GDTs (nor does anyone get paid to write anything here), do you not pay attention to those?

 

[freer]

Because if it is just written by a fan, and not someone who gets paid to study hockey stats or know the game. I dont want to pay any more attention to it.

I don't get paid to write my GDTs (nor does anyone get paid to write anything here), do you not pay attention to those?

Nope your not, There is a difference between a fan blog or chat site (like us hear) Then a site that publishes articles on a web site for the whole world to see.
Here we are all fans, and our posts are mostly based on opinion (I really enjoy the banter here) But I am not going to quote any of our posts as official.
Unless it is an official site sports site, I am just reading it "with a grain of salt" and I am not going to take it seriously. I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Nope your not, There is a difference between a fan blog or chat site (like us hear) Then a site that publishes articles on a web site for the whole world to see.
Here we are all fans, and our posts are mostly based on opinion (I really enjoy the banter here) But I am not going to quote any of our posts as official.
Unless it is an official site sports site, I am just reading it "with a grain of salt" and I am not going to take it seriously. I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

I'm not offended I just don't understand your stance here. There's no difference between a fans opinion that's posted on a blog and a fans opinion that's posted here.

 

[freer]

Nope your not, There is a difference between a fan blog or chat site (like us hear) Then a site that publishes articles on a web site for the whole world to see.
Here we are all fans, and our posts are mostly based on opinion (I really enjoy the banter here) But I am not going to quote any of our posts as official.
Unless it is an official site sports site, I am just reading it "with a grain of salt" and I am not going to take it seriously. I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

I'm not offended I just don't understand your stance here. There's no difference between a fans opinion that's posted on a blog and a fans opinion that's posted here.

When I read article say in news paper with exception of "simmons" I accept as fact. Fans opinions here are that "opinions" and for the most part are not going to change my opinions that I free strong about. My opinion is that Bozak is better then Kadri. It differs from half the people here I know. But if you are a Kadri fan, your not going to change my mind because our opinions are different. All I was stating was there is a difference between fact and opinion.

 

[herman]

The only difference between published reporters and fan blogs these days is the level of access they have to primary sources, and the internal motivations they have for how that information is processed (clickbait headlines, business agendas, personal vendettas against certain personalities, etc.). There are reporters, bloggers, and forum posters alike that I respect and would be more inclined to believe based on their body of work. There are reporters, bloggers, and forum posters alike that I do not pay as much attention to based on their body of work.

I believe growth occurs in areas of tension, and in this case tensions that arise from differing arguments (opinions supported by facts; or facts distorted by opinions perhaps). This forum is a wonderful place for each of us to grow in our understanding of the game because there is nearly real-time discussion. We're all seeing the same games and sharing the same sources. Instead of being like the Leafs of yesteryear and certain media outlets that plugged their ears and la-la-la-ed about 'advanced stats', let us be more like the Leafs of this year, who have embraced the benefits of having more information and have made efforts to put intelligent and proven people in charge of distilling that information.

The most interesting players on the team are the ones that seem to defy expectations (one way or another). Those expectations are often set by media/fansite portrayal. Ultimately, each of us has some measure of control over what information we consume, and so some degree, how that information is processed and incorporated.

With regards to Bozak and Kadri, I'm of the opinion that teams ought to do their best with what they have (until something changes). The Leafs have started to find some beneficial niches for Bozak and Kadri this year and it's playing out on the ice.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Nope your not, There is a difference between a fan blog or chat site (like us hear) Then a site that publishes articles on a web site for the whole world to see.
Here we are all fans, and our posts are mostly based on opinion (I really enjoy the banter here) But I am not going to quote any of our posts as official.
Unless it is an official site sports site, I am just reading it "with a grain of salt" and I am not going to take it seriously. I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

I'm not offended I just don't understand your stance here. There's no difference between a fans opinion that's posted on a blog and a fans opinion that's posted here.

When I read article say in news paper with exception of "simmons" I accept as fact. Fans opinions here are that "opinions" and for the most part are not going to change my opinions that I free strong about. My opinion is that Bozak is better then Kadri. It differs from half the people here I know. But if you are a Kadri fan, your not going to change my mind because our opinions are different. All I was stating was there is a difference between fact and opinion.

You do realize that what you read in the paper is the author's opinion right?  That opinion can be fact-based or not but it is still an opinion (if that is the style of the piece).

 

[freer]

Nope your not, There is a difference between a fan blog or chat site (like us hear) Then a site that publishes articles on a web site for the whole world to see.
Here we are all fans, and our posts are mostly based on opinion (I really enjoy the banter here) But I am not going to quote any of our posts as official.
Unless it is an official site sports site, I am just reading it "with a grain of salt" and I am not going to take it seriously. I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

I'm not offended I just don't understand your stance here. There's no difference between a fans opinion that's posted on a blog and a fans opinion that's posted here.

When I read article say in news paper with exception of "simmons" I accept as fact. Fans opinions here are that "opinions" and for the most part are not going to change my opinions that I free strong about. My opinion is that Bozak is better then Kadri. It differs from half the people here I know. But if you are a Kadri fan, your not going to change my mind because our opinions are different. All I was stating was there is a difference between fact and opinion.

You do realize that what you read in the paper is the author's opinion right?  That opinion can be fact-based or not but it is still an opinion (if that is the style of the piece).

Ok Question. You read an article on TSN and Hockeybuzz. Which one do you take seriously.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Nope your not, There is a difference between a fan blog or chat site (like us hear) Then a site that publishes articles on a web site for the whole world to see.
Here we are all fans, and our posts are mostly based on opinion (I really enjoy the banter here) But I am not going to quote any of our posts as official.
Unless it is an official site sports site, I am just reading it "with a grain of salt" and I am not going to take it seriously. I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

I'm not offended I just don't understand your stance here. There's no difference between a fans opinion that's posted on a blog and a fans opinion that's posted here.

When I read article say in news paper with exception of "simmons" I accept as fact. Fans opinions here are that "opinions" and for the most part are not going to change my opinions that I free strong about. My opinion is that Bozak is better then Kadri. It differs from half the people here I know. But if you are a Kadri fan, your not going to change my mind because our opinions are different. All I was stating was there is a difference between fact and opinion.

You do realize that what you read in the paper is the author's opinion right?  That opinion can be fact-based or not but it is still an opinion (if that is the style of the piece).

Ok Question. You read an article on TSN and Hockeybuzz. Which one do you take seriously.

I don't know what Hockeybuzz is or their reputation, but I'd take both seriously if they were well written and argued.  It really depends.  There have been blogs putting out work I consider consistently better than most of the mainstream newspaper sports journalists for a couple years now.  Many of the people writing the blog posts are now working for NHL teams, which should give you an idea of how seriously people in control of teams take these types of things.

There's a lot of crap out there too, but it's not limited to non-"official" sources of media.

 

[freer]

Nope your not, There is a difference between a fan blog or chat site (like us hear) Then a site that publishes articles on a web site for the whole world to see.
Here we are all fans, and our posts are mostly based on opinion (I really enjoy the banter here) But I am not going to quote any of our posts as official.
Unless it is an official site sports site, I am just reading it "with a grain of salt" and I am not going to take it seriously. I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

I'm not offended I just don't understand your stance here. There's no difference between a fans opinion that's posted on a blog and a fans opinion that's posted here.

When I read article say in news paper with exception of "simmons" I accept as fact. Fans opinions here are that "opinions" and for the most part are not going to change my opinions that I free strong about. My opinion is that Bozak is better then Kadri. It differs from half the people here I know. But if you are a Kadri fan, your not going to change my mind because our opinions are different. All I was stating was there is a difference between fact and opinion.

You do realize that what you read in the paper is the author's opinion right?  That opinion can be fact-based or not but it is still an opinion (if that is the style of the piece).

Ok Question. You read an article on TSN and Hockeybuzz. Which one do you take seriously.

I don't know what Hockeybuzz is or their reputation, but I'd take both seriously if they were well written and argued.  It really depends.  There have been blogs putting out work I consider consistently better than most of the mainstream newspaper sports journalists for a couple years now.  Many of the people writing the blog posts are now working for NHL teams, which should give you an idea of how seriously people in control of teams take these types of things.

There's a lot of crap out there too, but it's not limited to non-"official" sources of media.

Ok. You are right. I just dont place alot of klot on those articles.

 

[bustaheims]

Because if it is just written by a fan, and not someone who gets paid to study hockey stats or know the game. I dont want to pay any more attention to it.

The guys who write for sites like the one linked there have put in a lot more time and effort studying stats - both traditional and advanced - than just about anyone in the mainstream media that you trust so much. Also, pretty much no one in the mainstream media gets paid to study stats, any way. They get paid to write about what they see and what they think. Whether or not they have understanding of anything more than the basics is entirely optional.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The guys who write for sites like the one linked there have put in a lot more time and effort studying stats - both traditional and advanced - than just about anyone in the mainstream media that you trust so much.

Someone from that site also gets paid to write similar articles for Sportsnet's online page. Would somebody put stock in an article he writes on one format but not on the other?