Phil Kessel

[Corn Flake]

And I doubt whether Kadri's current success is entirely a result of the opposition's focus on Kessel.  We'd better hope it isn't, at any rate.

Behindthenet.ca has his quality of competition among the easiest of the fwds.  I suspect that will begin to change, but that's how it is so far.

You know I still can't find any information on this behindthenet stuff showing the source of the data he's using.  I think you were going to see what you could find.. did you ever track it down?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

And I doubt whether Kadri's current success is entirely a result of the opposition's focus on Kessel.  We'd better hope it isn't, at any rate.

Behindthenet.ca has his quality of competition among the easiest of the fwds.  I suspect that will begin to change, but that's how it is so far.

You know I still can't find any information on this behindthenet stuff showing the source of the data he's using.  I think you were going to see what you could find.. did you ever track it down?

I thought I replied about it? The guy that runs it compiles it using all of the info the NHL provides apparently.  I'm sure you can track him down via Twitter or e-mail or something.

So bitter.

 

[ZBBM]

And I doubt whether Kadri's current success is entirely a result of the opposition's focus on Kessel.  We'd better hope it isn't, at any rate.

Behindthenet.ca has his quality of competition among the easiest of the fwds.  I suspect that will begin to change, but that's how it is so far.

You know I still can't find any information on this behindthenet stuff showing the source of the data he's using.  I think you were going to see what you could find.. did you ever track it down?

I thought I replied about it? The guy that runs it compiles it using all of the info the NHL provides apparently.  I'm sure you can track him down via Twitter or e-mail or something.

So bitter.

Glad to know that Kadri has been gifted his nice start by the other coaches.  Sweet of them.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Phil Phil Phil Phil (sung to the Bill Nye theme song):

@randynumbers 57s

Despite all the well-deserved recent attention on Nazem Kadri, Phil Kessel leads the #Leafs in the month of March with 16 points.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

And I doubt whether Kadri's current success is entirely a result of the opposition's focus on Kessel.  We'd better hope it isn't, at any rate.

Behindthenet.ca has his quality of competition among the easiest of the fwds.  I suspect that will begin to change, but that's how it is so far.

You know I still can't find any information on this behindthenet stuff showing the source of the data he's using.  I think you were going to see what you could find.. did you ever track it down?

I thought I replied about it? The guy that runs it compiles it using all of the info the NHL provides apparently.  I'm sure you can track him down via Twitter or e-mail or something.

So bitter.

Glad to know that Kadri has been gifted his nice start by the other coaches.  Sweet of them.

Point out where that was said please.  Things are rarely black & white, don't treat them as such.  Kadri deserves all the credit in the world for making the most of the opportunities he's been given and putting up elite points in non-elite minutes.  The comparison of Kessel and Kadri's respective competition was brought up, and I tried to answer it in the only way I know of to measure it - why twist that?  I've credited Kadri numerous times.

 

[Kin]

Point out where that was said please.  Things are rarely black & white, don't treat them as such.  Kadri deserves all the credit in the world for making the most of the opportunities he's been given and putting up elite points in non-elite minutes.  The comparison of Kessel and Kadri's respective competition was brought up, and I tried to answer it in the only way I know of to measure it - why twist that?  I've credited Kadri numerous times.

Just to clarify because I don't remember, the Quality of Competition stat is related to the Corsi numbers of the players that a player plays against as opposed to, say, a qualitative measurement of the opposition, right?

 

[Bullfrog]

With Bozak's goal last night, Kessel is now 4th on the team in goal scoring. I couldn't have predicted that at the beginning of the season.

 

[slapshot]

With Bozak's goal last night, Kessel is now 4th on the team in goal scoring. I couldn't have predicted that at the beginning of the season.

Kessel 2nd in team scoring, 16th overall in the league, a fraction under a point a game.
Kadri 12th overall in league, a fraction over a point a game

PS: Seguin 74th is league scoring, 26 points. Brayden Schenn (who went 2 picks higher than Kadri and who Burke really wanted in that draft) 126th in league scoring with 22 points)

 

[Bender]

With Bozak's goal last night, Kessel is now 4th on the team in goal scoring. I couldn't have predicted that at the beginning of the season.

Kessel 2nd in team scoring, 16th overall in the league, a fraction under a point a game.
Kadri 12th overall in league, a fraction over a point a game

PS: Seguin 74th is league scoring, 26 points. Brayden Schenn (who went 2 picks higher than Kadri and who Burke Leafs fans really wanted in that draft) 126th in league scoring with 22 points)

Fixed it for you

 

[lamajama]

With Bozak's goal last night, Kessel is now 4th on the team in goal scoring. I couldn't have predicted that at the beginning of the season.

Kessel 2nd in team scoring, 16th overall in the league, a fraction under a point a game.
Kadri 12th overall in league, a fraction over a point a game

PS: Seguin 74th is league scoring, 26 points. Brayden Schenn (who went 2 picks higher than Kadri and who Burke really wanted in that draft) 126th in league scoring with 22 points)

I like these facts. Seguin has some different abilities than Phil and Phil obviously has different ones than Seguin.

Personally I have accepted Phil's shortcomings in the grit department and take delight in watching him with the puck, either as a goal scorer and as a set-up guy. I hope we re-sign him long term because you are not getting
anyone any better in UFA or via trade right now - period.

 

[Rebel_1812]

With Bozak's goal last night, Kessel is now 4th on the team in goal scoring. I couldn't have predicted that at the beginning of the season.

Kessel 2nd in team scoring, 16th overall in the league, a fraction under a point a game.
Kadri 12th overall in league, a fraction over a point a game

PS: Seguin 74th is league scoring, 26 points. Brayden Schenn (who went 2 picks higher than Kadri and who Burke really wanted in that draft) 126th in league scoring with 22 points)

Seguin also doesn't have to match up against chara 8 games a year either.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Seguin is also younger, so not really fair to compare him to someone a number of years older.

 

[Kin]

Seguin is also doing it in three minutes less ice-time per game and with a full minute less on the PP per night while having a +/- that's +24 higher.

 

[Zee]

Seguin is also younger, so not really fair to compare him to someone a number of years older.

I agree, he's only 21, you have to look at where Kessel was at when he was 21.  The stats are pretty comparable.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Good ol' Boston, where everyone goes to get their +/- jollies.

 

[Kin]

Good ol' Boston, where everyone goes to get their +/- jollies.

You should really let Nathan Horton know that.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Good ol' Boston, where everyone goes to get their +/- jollies.

You should really let Nathan Horton know that.

Kessel had a +23 his last season there.  It's a useless stat.  It tells you more about the quality of the team than it does the individual player.  Seguin faces easier competition, starts more shifts in the offensive zone, in front of one of the top 3 goalies in the league (and one of the top SV% at even-strength), and is a good offensive player.  He should have a very good +/-.  Seguin is very good for many reasons, none of which require +/- and it's uselessness.

 

[Kin]

Kessel had a +23 his last season there.  It's a useless stat.  It tells you more about the quality of the team than it does the individual player.  Seguin faces easier competition, starts more shifts in the offensive zone, in front of one of the top 3 goalies in the league (and one of the top SV% at even-strength), and is a good offensive player.  He should have a very good +/-.  Seguin is very good for many reasons, none of which require +/- and it's uselessness.

Well, he actually starts less often in the offensive zone and, if we're inclined to buy the nonsense that is the QOC at behindthenet, against tougher competition than Horton, who plays in front of the same goalie and is a good offensive player, and Seguin is +16 higher than him too.

So it's not strictly about the quality of the team.

 

[Bullfrog]

Well, he actually starts less often in the offensive zone and, if we're inclined to buy the nonsense that is the QOC at behindthenet, against tougher competition than Horton, who plays in front of the same goalie and is a good offensive player, and Seguin is +16 higher than him too.

So it's not strictly about the quality of the team.

Why do you feel the quality of competition is nonsense?

 

[Kin]

Well, he actually starts less often in the offensive zone and, if we're inclined to buy the nonsense that is the QOC at behindthenet, against tougher competition than Horton, who plays in front of the same goalie and is a good offensive player, and Seguin is +16 higher than him too.

So it's not strictly about the quality of the team.

Why do you feel the quality of competition is nonsense?

My post at the top of the page explains it pretty well.