Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread
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Joe S. said:
I believe Quinn is very popular around here, myself included. All that said I also believe the game has evolved and Quinn is not suitable anymore. Actually the same applies for Carlyle. Today?s hockey has absolutely different dynamics, should the Leafs go for a new coach, I would very much like someone form new generation of coaches or someone who is able to adjust. That?s not the case of Quinn, Carlyle or even Wilson, those are proud and stubborn fellas.
OldTimeHockey
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We should go with that Eakins guy!
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drummond said:
I liked Quinn as well in the 90s and early 2000s...but the game has passed him.
Anybody find it curious that 3 of the last 4 coaches to be behind the Leafs bench haven't gotten to that position again? (Wilson, Quinn, and Mike Murphy). Coaches normally move around the league like swingers.
I'm curious to see how they would've played under Eakins. Could've been bad, but he had great repor with the players, many developed under his leadership, and he fits the bill of a "new-age" coach.
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proteus2000 said:
Quinn coached in Edmonton.
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proteus2000 said:
Yup, and his new age style certainly is excelling in Edmonton
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proteus2000 said:
Not really. Murphy was terrible. No surprises there. He's a much better fit in his current position in the NHL head offices. Wilson, while with the Leafs, said this was likely his last stop before retiring from coaching. So, not a huge surprise he hasn't caught on anywhere else, either. Quinn, as Potvin pointed out, coached for a season in Edmonton, but, he was also pretty close to retirement when the Leafs let him go (even if he hadn't necessarily decided on that yet), so, it's not really a surprise he hasn't been seen behind the bench much either.
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I thought Maurice deserved another shot. He managed to get some pretty good results from some pretty bad teams (Carolina included). His goaltending was just atrocious and he still was able to significantly out-perform Wilson. I also thought he was good at breaking out and that the defense, for once, actually looked somewhat capable.
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Bullfrog said:
Not anymore, no. His extension was for last season. So, he's no longer under contract to anyone.
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bustaheims said:
Oh yeah. I forgot that Quinn came back for one year to coach the Oil to a last place finish. So in the last 4 coaches, they have combined for 4 more years in the NHL. I agree with an above poster that Maurice (who represents 3 of the years) is a smart hockey man, and should get another opportunity.
The point I'm trying to make is maybe this represents the Leafs are a little behind the 8-ball with their choice of personnel post-lockout. JFJ can certainly be included in this group. If its a coach or GM that is an attractive option, but just ran its course with the team that fired them, they get snatched up pretty quickly by another organization.
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Is Carlyle canned if they miss playoffs? I think we could easily miss depending on how long Bolland is out. Just did a quick count and they were 10-4-0 before Bolland's injury, and 4-5-1 since. Yeah it's not just him, other guys have cooled off as well, either way this team is not looking poised for another 10-4-0 stretch any time soon.
The other question is whether his job is secure if we get dumped in the 1st round again. I'm thinking he probably gets another year which could be pretty frustrating for people who think he is holding the team back.
The other question is whether his job is secure if we get dumped in the 1st round again. I'm thinking he probably gets another year which could be pretty frustrating for people who think he is holding the team back.
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+1CarltonTheBear said:
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pnjunction said:
That's the tricky part with the injuries. I suspect a lot of people will be inclined to give Carlyle and the construction of this roster a pass because there've been a lot of injuries -- so who can say any of that's the problem when they're missing key pieces? Of course, Bolland's not an all star and (odds are) would've cooled off too.
Fact is, regardless of who's been in the line-up, the team's only played 3 good 60 minutes of hockey this season: Philly, the second Edmonton game, and Pittsburgh -- and the first two were against much weaker opponents. Otherwise, wins have come from hot special teams, high shooting percentage, and hotter goaltending.
mr grieves said:
It was the same deal last year too. They were winning games, but somehow getting by playing only a period or two.
It seems as though there are some great upsides to this team in scoring and goaltending, two things you either have or you don't, but there is a problem elsewhere in the whole shebang.
I can't help but see a hole in the leadership department, and I'm not pointing specifically at Phaneuf. There should be 2 or 3 guys (+coaching) that keeps the team motivated and playing hard a lot more than the Leafs have shown.
I'm guessing Bolland helps here but he is only one guy.
CarltonTheBear said:
It's amazing how often Carlyle can leave me speechless.
Yeah. It's pretty bad when you say you don't want your team to be the thing it is, when you're one of the few people who has the ability to change it. It's even worse when you don't appear to notice it when everyone else does.
Can anyone say that the team is listening to Carlyle at all?
So for that reason, plus the fact that hot goaltending and unsustainable timely goals is pretty much the only reason they are +.500 Carlyle needs to be given an ultimatum.
Lose the face punchers, or spot the odd one, fix the defensive zone joke and develop some ability to run a bench. Other than his "vaunted" line matching ability - or sayonara
So for that reason, plus the fact that hot goaltending and unsustainable timely goals is pretty much the only reason they are +.500 Carlyle needs to be given an ultimatum.
Lose the face punchers, or spot the odd one, fix the defensive zone joke and develop some ability to run a bench. Other than his "vaunted" line matching ability - or sayonara
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Mostar said:
This has been a big concern for me over the last couple years, too. Phaneuf doesn't lead much outside of laying down some big hits. Clarkson was not the answer, either.
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