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The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

Britishbulldog said:
Sarge said:
Clifford was mentioned in another thread... You know, the way this team is going, if all we did is say, trade Aulie (who I'd also be happy to just keep) for a Clifford or a Bickell type player, colour me happy... If we have to wait 'till the summer to A) land a top 6 and B) purge ourselves of Tim Connolly, so be it.

A 4th Line of Clifford / Steckel / Brown would be decent.  Clifford was arguably the Kings top player in last years playoffs  and was only 20 years old. 

I think that Eager is more realistic in getting though if we need a guy who can fight a heavyweight but still play hockey.

Upcoming UFA Prust might be a decent pick up.

I'd actually keep Army with Steckel and Brown and see what a Clifford or a Bickell (both  power forwards with some - not tons of upside) could do in more of a scoring role... I'd have either of them on my 3rd line and hope that one day, they might make the jump to the 2nd.     
 
Gardiner51 said:
princedpw said:
In terms of value, I see komisarek playing like perhaps a $2 million UFA so he has substantial negative value to any team that is not in financial difficulty.  So I see a couple of ways of trading him:

1. Trade Komi + a good prospect to a rebuilding team that can afford to overpay for a guy like him temporarily. This is like the leafs taking on lombardi's or lupul's contact to get gardiner or franson respectively.  There are not too many teams that have the combination of cap space, wealth, and are rebuilding.  Montreal is perhaps the only team I can think of.  However, I don't think the leafs are quite good enough or loaded up enough with prospects to go this route yet.

2. Trade Komi to a team in financial difficulty.  The other team uses the fact that Komi is paid $1 million less than his cap hit next year in order to pay less than the cap floor and thereby save the owner money.  It would also help if the team Komi was traded to was weak and shallow on D so Komi was less of a detriment to his new team than to the leafs.  Knowing that Komi has negative value to the leafs, the leafs would have to take back some salary though but perhaps that salary could be buried in the minors.  Perhaps a team like the islanders could benefit from this sort of exchange with the leafs. They are weak on D and a low spender.  I don't know who would come back to the leafs -- surely someone we don't want.

3.  trade Komi to a team who is weak on D but has an overpaid forward that they want to dump.  For example, I could imagine a trade with the blue jackets involving some kind of exchange involving Komi and brassard (17 points, -19 this year, paid 3.7 million next year).

How long before the Columbus, Toronto talks start about Jeff Carter ?

The only talks that we hear about the Leafs and Jeff Carter better include Connolly's name as well.  Even more than Komisarek's in my mind.  If both Leafs could be sent like Toskala and Blake for Gigure than it would be awesome.  :)

If Carter's NTC/NMC is now voided then he isn't as bad of a contract as I first thought.

After that I would see if Aulie and MacArthur (while he is hot) could be packaged for Stewart.
 
Sarge said:
Britishbulldog said:
Sarge said:
Clifford was mentioned in another thread... You know, the way this team is going, if all we did is say, trade Aulie (who I'd also be happy to just keep) for a Clifford or a Bickell type player, colour me happy... If we have to wait 'till the summer to A) land a top 6 and B) purge ourselves of Tim Connolly, so be it.

A 4th Line of Clifford / Steckel / Brown would be decent.  Clifford was arguably the Kings top player in last years playoffs  and was only 20 years old. 

I think that Eager is more realistic in getting though if we need a guy who can fight a heavyweight but still play hockey.

Upcoming UFA Prust might be a decent pick up.

I'd actually keep Army with Steckel and Brown and see what a Clifford or a Bickell (both  power forwards with some - not tons of upside) could do in more of a scoring role... I'd have either of them on my 3rd line and hope that one day, they might make the jump to the 2nd.   

the kicker with Bickell is that Chicago is reported to want a rugged dman and since only Schenn and Komisarek fit the bill...it won't work cap-wise.

I don't know what LA needs besides Kulemin or MacArthur but that would be a brutal trade for Clifford.
 
bustaheims said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I just wish Schenn had even one iota of offense in him ... he seems to get a lot of glorious scoring chances.  Of course, that could be because opponents let him have them, knowing he can't cash in.

While I don't think he'll ever become a major offensive producer, he's not as offensively bereft as people like to make him out to be. His 22 points last season placed him in a tie for 76th in the league, which, while not spectacular, is still solid 2nd pairing defenceman production - especially considering how little PP time he gets - and he's on pace to equal that mark this season.

Ya, I've been as critical as anyone about his offensive abilities, but for a defensive defensman, he certainly provides enough to dispel the criticism. It's similar to describing an offensive defenseman: he's great offensively, but adequate defensively to not be a liability.

That's how I see Schenn.
 
lamajama said:
I hope they do everything they can (read: pay him) to keep Grabbo.

Pound for pound I doubt anyone on the team works harder - and he's a great #2 center. We just need the #1 center and Bozak drops to a #3.
Connolly is a bust in his slot unfortunately - but that's why Burke did the smart thing with only a 2 year deal and he may even get moved on his
last year (my opinion only). A place for Joe C. is what may throw everything loopy - but I have a hard time thinking Joe C could replace Grabbo for at least a few years.

I fully agree.  In fact, as much as I have been hoping Burke can parlay our glut on D for some punch up front, I am now starting to think he'd be smarter to let these guys do their thing this year (get to the playoffs hopefully).  The key is the big picture, and off-season moves under less pressure can make room for the kids like Colborne and Kadri, perhaps Frattin, maybe Holzer/Aulie, etc.  This is a young team, and maybe it would be kind of damaging to make a big move mid-season.
 
BC Buds Fan said:
lamajama said:
I hope they do everything they can (read: pay him) to keep Grabbo.

Pound for pound I doubt anyone on the team works harder - and he's a great #2 center. We just need the #1 center and Bozak drops to a #3.
Connolly is a bust in his slot unfortunately - but that's why Burke did the smart thing with only a 2 year deal and he may even get moved on his
last year (my opinion only). A place for Joe C. is what may throw everything loopy - but I have a hard time thinking Joe C could replace Grabbo for at least a few years.

I fully agree.  In fact, as much as I have been hoping Burke can parlay our glut on D for some punch up front, I am now starting to think he'd be smarter to let these guys do their thing this year (get to the playoffs hopefully).  The key is the big picture, and off-season moves under less pressure can make room for the kids like Colborne and Kadri, perhaps Frattin, maybe Holzer/Aulie, etc.  This is a young team, and maybe it would be kind of damaging to make a big move mid-season.

Count me in . sure it would be nice to land that big superstar but at what
price?  If I could put one player in a Leaf uniform it would be Gabriel
Lansekog this kid will be a superstar. Go get him Burke.
 
nutman said:
RedLeaf said:
Grabovski for Getzlaf. Let's do it.

;)

Kind of a sideways move aint it.

Looking at career numbers it's hardly a sideways move. In fact because Grabo has been so hot of late and Getz so cold that trade might not look so bad for the Ducks right now.
 
RedLeaf said:
nutman said:
RedLeaf said:
Grabovski for Getzlaf. Let's do it.

;)

Kind of a sideways move aint it.

Looking at career numbers it's hardly a sideways move. In fact because Grabo has been so hot of late and Getz so cold that trade might not look so bad for the Ducks right now.


Imo grabbo is playing now like he was last year, so there for he is showing he has a ton of talent, why would you want to deal a top scorer like that who has linemates that he clicks with, for a guy who is not having a great season. I want to find a way to get him but not at the expence of Grabo.
 
nutman said:
Imo grabbo is playing now like he was last year, so there for he is showing he has a ton of talent, why would you want to deal a top scorer like that who has linemates that he clicks with, for a guy who is not having a great season.

The difference between Grabovski's point total last year and what Getzlaf is on pace for in his "not great" season is one point. Basically, Grabo's best is roughly equivalent to Getzlaf's worst.

I mean, get a grip, Getzlaf was on the Olympic team for a reason. He's bigger than Grabo, more talented and, somewhat surprisingly, almost a year and a half younger. 

nutman said:
I want to find a way to get him but not at the expence of Grabo.

The reality is the Leafs probably can't afford both. As much as I like Grabs while he's making 2.9 million looking forward I may like him a lot less at 5.5 or higher.
 
nutman said:
RedLeaf said:
nutman said:
RedLeaf said:
Grabovski for Getzlaf. Let's do it.

;)

Kind of a sideways move aint it.

Looking at career numbers it's hardly a sideways move. In fact because Grabo has been so hot of late and Getz so cold that trade might not look so bad for the Ducks right now.


Imo grabbo is playing now like he was last year, so there for he is showing he has a ton of talent, why would you want to deal a top scorer like that who has linemates that he clicks with, for a guy who is not having a great season. I want to find a way to get him but not at the expence of Grabo.

I was just going to point out what Nik did.

Basically Grabs best is equal to Getzlaf's worst.

Not to mention Getzlaf is younger, much bigger, and his ceiling is 90+ points... yeah, as much as I love Grabs, it's no contest. 
 
I've been trying to think of a dance partner in a trade for Connolly in the same type of deal we did for Beauchemin (but in reverse.) Connolly + top prospect for player X. Anyone think that's doable and any suggestions? 
 
Sarge said:
I've been trying to think of a dance partner in a trade for Connolly in the same type of deal we did for Beauchemin (but in reverse.) Connolly + top prospect for player X. Anyone think that's doable and any suggestions?

Sorry, just so I have this clear, you're looking at the Beauchemin deal and trying to figure out a way for the Leafs to be on the other side of such a transaction?
 
Saint Nik said:
Sarge said:
I've been trying to think of a dance partner in a trade for Connolly in the same type of deal we did for Beauchemin (but in reverse.) Connolly + top prospect for player X. Anyone think that's doable and any suggestions?

Sorry, just so I have this clear, you're looking at the Beauchemin deal and trying to figure out a way for the Leafs to be on the other side of such a transaction?

Clearly my hope would be that Connolly would contribute about as much to his new team as he has here (which isn't much) in the same way that I'm sure Anaheim wasn't banking on Lupul turning in to beast immediately after being traded away. So, I guess my answer to you would be - No? What I'm trying to do is buy my way out of Connolly's deal for next year with a top prospect... Nothing more then that.
 
Sarge said:
Clearly my hope would be that Connolly would contribute about as much to his new team as he has here (which isn't much) in the same way that I'm sure Anaheim wasn't banking on Lupul turning in to beast immediately after being traded away. So, I guess my answer to you would be - No? What I'm trying to do is buy my way out of Connolly's deal for next year with a top prospect... Nothing more then that.

If the Leafs were desperate to get rid of Connolly, which I doubt they are, then I'd much rather they buy out Connolly's deal with money rather than one of the team's pretty scarce top prospects.

I mean, even ignoring what happened with Beauchemin/Lupul, do you think Anaheim thinks that was a good deal in hindsight?
 
I'd love nothing more than to get rid of Connolly and Komisarek right now, if for no other reason, than to get the cap space of the books. But finding a taker right now would probably be hard, more so for Connolly IMO.

I think Komisarek is more moveable than Connolly, because I think teams need defensemen more than forwards. I believe that Burke will probably have to sort this out in the off season though.
 
Saint Nik said:
Sarge said:
Clearly my hope would be that Connolly would contribute about as much to his new team as he has here (which isn't much) in the same way that I'm sure Anaheim wasn't banking on Lupul turning in to beast immediately after being traded away. So, I guess my answer to you would be - No? What I'm trying to do is buy my way out of Connolly's deal for next year with a top prospect... Nothing more then that.

If the Leafs were desperate to get rid of Connolly, which I doubt they are, then I'd much rather they buy out Connolly's deal with money rather than one of the team's pretty scarce top prospects.

I mean, even ignoring what happened with Beauchemin/Lupul, do you think Anaheim thinks that was a good deal in hindsight?

I haven't done the number crunching for next saeson but if we're looking at ~ 5 for Grabo plus whatever RFAs need to be signed, etc.  then I could easily see the Leafs being in favour of dumping Connolly. - and I'm not sure I understand your question there. I mean, why would you think I would feel Anaheim was happy about making that deal? The premise of these deals (as I stated) is the same but it's not based upon Connolly exploding in the same way Lupul did. Anyway, sounds like your not in favour of such a transaction which is fine.... Anyone else? Any suggestions? 
 
I don't think Connolly is that big of an issue. Yes he isn't producing numbers that match his contract but he contributes in a lot of other ways (so we hear) in the room and on the bench that are valuable. Plus, if Grabbo or Bozak got injured he would suddenly be very important again. 

If the guy was totally done I think you go the buyout route but not if he can still be useful. I think he's a capable 3rd line centre for sure and with Lombardi and Armstrong could be a solid veteran checking line with some scoring touch.  Certainly not trading away a top prospect to get rid of him.  If his cap hit becomes a problem, you just waive the guy.
 

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