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Crucialness Key said:Moulson for Vanek??
Neither team included more than one NHL player.
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Crucialness Key said:Moulson for Vanek??
CarltonTheBear said:I would imagine the Seguin-Eriksson deal would be the closest you'd get to what you're looking for. Each side got one major piece plus at least one other NHL player.
sneakyray said:you guys are forgetting the phaneuf deal...stajan, white, mayers and hagman for phaneuf, sjostrom and aulie. (edit: need to read before posting I guess)
sneakyray said:also, beauchemin for lupul and gardiner.
Chev-boyar-sky said:Corn Flake said:Chev-boyar-sky said:I'd imagine a realistic deal would more likely involve JVR instead of Lupul and a pretty decent pick coming from the Leafs.
Can't see how Leafs would have to give up JVR, a more established, , cheaper, less headace'y version of Kane. At worst, that would be a straight up 1 for 1 trade, but still feels like the Leafs take on all the risk with not a lot of upside above what JVR already brings.
I like Kane and I would love to take him on, but the price can't be basically a better version of Kane to get him.
Well the original trade idea I was responding to involved Bufuglien and Stuart coming back for Phaneuf, Holland and Ashton.
I think Buf is better and cheaper than Dion and I don't think the difference is made up by Holland and Ashton, thus why I said something more valuable would need to be included to get the deal done.
Maybe not JVR, maybe just a high pick, but I wouldn't make the proposed deal if I was the WPG GM.
No.92 said:You make that trade and all we'll hear all summer and training camp is how out of shape Buff is. It never ends.
Corn Flake said:No.92 said:You make that trade and all we'll hear all summer and training camp is how out of shape Buff is. It never ends.
Yeah I can hear the jokes now about Kessel vs. Buff in a sumo match to see who is bigger.
Nik the Trik said:CarltonTheBear said:I would imagine the Seguin-Eriksson deal would be the closest you'd get to what you're looking for. Each side got one major piece plus at least one other NHL player.
Well again, it's not so much the scope of the trade in total or the balance of it so much as it is a team trading two significant(as in all-star or near-all star) players at the same time in one deal. So, for instance, the Red Wings trading Keith Primeau and Paul Coffey for Shanahan.
Even in BBD's original design, the Leafs wouldn't really have a better team, just a different one.
BlueWhiteBlood said:I'm confident that Lupul is probably going to be shopped behind the scenes, as his position could probably be filled by Leivo very shortly. That's probably where they find the extra scratch for the new contracts for Kadri and Bernier.
I'm less sure that Lupul gets traded as part of a larger deal that includes more Leaf assets though.
LuncheonMeat said:From Friedman's most recent 30 Thoughts column:
6. Like Vancouver with Markstrom, Toronto has asked around about Carter Ashton, trying to see if they can get a pick instead of going though the waiver route.
Sounds like Ashton is either a career AHL'er or maybe gets a shot somewhere else?
Crucialness Key said:BlueWhiteBlood said:I'm confident that Lupul is probably going to be shopped behind the scenes, as his position could probably be filled by Leivo very shortly. That's probably where they find the extra scratch for the new contracts for Kadri and Bernier.
I'm less sure that Lupul gets traded as part of a larger deal that includes more Leaf assets though.
(1) Trade Lupul & Leivo for All-Star Winger (ASW)
(2) Next season the 2nd line is ASW-Kadri-Nylander
(3) Dump Franson to help create Kadri/Bernier $$$
(4) crush opposition
Oh I don't want to give up Leivo either, but trades where you give up ONLY stuff you don't want rarely happen. And yeah, to get an ASW we might have to add some more parts (perhaps Nilsson or some such)... or catch the other team in a moment of weakness 8)BlueWhiteBlood said:Crucialness Key said:BlueWhiteBlood said:I'm confident that Lupul is probably going to be shopped behind the scenes, as his position could probably be filled by Leivo very shortly. That's probably where they find the extra scratch for the new contracts for Kadri and Bernier.
I'm less sure that Lupul gets traded as part of a larger deal that includes more Leaf assets though.
(1) Trade Lupul & Leivo for All-Star Winger (ASW)
(2) Next season the 2nd line is ASW-Kadri-Nylander
(3) Dump Franson to help create Kadri/Bernier $$$
(4) crush opposition
Not really keen on giving up Leivo. I don't believe we could get an All-Star winger for those two either. I'd do it if we could, but I don't see it happening.
We'd have to take salary back in a Lupul deal, but we also may be able to save a little bit also.
Corn Flake said:Remember guys, you have to give to get.
Give to get.
Give.
To.
Get.
bustaheims said:Corn Flake said:Remember guys, you have to give to get.
Give to get.
Give.
To.
Get.
Sure, but that all depends on what you're getting, and, really, adding Leivo to Lupul likely only gets you a marginal upgrade on Lupul.
Crucialness Key said:Okay new trade, Lupul + Franson + Reimer + Kontiola + Frattin + Orr + McLaren + Ashton + Holzer + MacWilliam + Clarkson for Yakupov. I mean, that's a lot of Giving!